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Jody
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Initially Posted - 10/03/2002 : 21:33:18

I finally have time to tell everyone about my new boat!

It is #4040 a 1984 SR/FK w/9.9 Evenrude. The previous owner bought her in 1985 and only did day sailing. I am the third owner. The sails (main, 100%, 150%) are original but in great shape as is the hull. It came with a VHF, FPDs, anchors, perfect cushons, boat hook, and requisate safety gear.

It needs a little work. The exterior wood needs refinishing, the windex is broken, and the "skylight" leaks. The motor runs good but the charging system doesn't work. I'll fix these things this winter.

Man, Oh, man is this different than the dingies I've been learning to sail for the past two summers. We've only taken her out three times so far (15-20 mi. each trip). We keep her on Lake Erie in the Gibraltar Boat Yard. The time it takes to come about (compared to a CL16/wayfarer) is amazing. The momentum! No problem making hull speed the past two weekends though.

A few questions if I may.

I repaint the hull in the spring not the fall. Correct?

How much pink anti-freeze should I put in the tank after vacumming out as much as possible?

Any other tips for winter storage?

Thanks for your support. This active forum is a fantastic resource. I hope over time I can contribute half as much as I've gleaned over these past few weeks.

Jody Larrow, '84 SR/FK

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 21:53:29

Congratulations Jody! Welcome to the club.

Is the Gibraltar Boat Yard the marina next door to Humbug Marina? I winter store at Humbug Too on North Gibraltar road.

Don Lucier, North Star
C25 SR/FK

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/03/2002 : 22:21:21

welcome

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/04/2002 : 11:04:53

Welcome, Jody!

A few "opinions" for your questions:

You can paint in the Fall if you use an ablative paint if you check their directions and see no short launch window specified. Ablatives generally don't break down in air.

After you pump your tank down to about nothing, put about a half gallon of boat/RV antifreeze in and pump it into both sinks until it's coming out of the thru-hulls onto the ground. If you need more, put the other half gallon in. Keep pumping till the tank is just about dry. It's non-toxic, so don't worry about the residual--you want some to remain in the low spots of your feed hoses as well as your drain hoses. (Besides, you don't use this tank to drink from.)

I also pour a little of the same antifreeze in the bilge, anticipating some seepage finding its way down there. Then I use the leftover gas in my lawnmower (I have a 4-cycle outboard) or, when I had a 2-cycle, my snowblower. No point in trying to "stabilize" a couple of gallons for next year.

I also pull the battery and put it on a little 3-stage charger.

I assume you know the drill for the outboard...

BTW, we sailed a 17' Daysailer for 21 years before we got the C-25, and yes, it's quite a difference! (Before that, we had a Sunfish and I sailed some Hobies and various scows.) I still feel too high off the water, and I often wish my weight had more influence, but it's nice to be dry (most of the time)! And the Admiral appreciates the 1900 lbs of lead hanging down there.

Keep the questions and ideas coming!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 10/04/2002 : 13:24:05

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>

A few questions if I may.

I repaint the hull in the spring not the fall. Correct?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
 Most people paint it in the spring. It really depends on the type of paint and where you store it but since you are new to this, I would go with the fall
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
How much pink anti-freeze should I put in the tank after vacumming out as much as possible? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> I've never had a rule of thumb for the antifreeze. I usually pump out as much as I can, then put about a gallon in each tank (head and freshwater) plus I pump some through the lines and put some in the head itself. 
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Any other tips for winter storage?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> I would take the mast down, remove the battery from the boat, bring the outboard inside, take any stuff you don't want to be stolen and bring it home. Make sure your bilge is dry and bring your rudder home too. 

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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frich
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Response Posted - 10/04/2002 : 16:15:04

Welcome Judy!!

I too have an 84 C25 SK, Hull # 4176. I could not be happier w/ her. By the way I have many of the original manuals for the furler, stove and from catalina. If you would like a copy send me an e-mail frich1230@aol.com

Good Sailing
Frank Rich

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/04/2002 : 16:43:00

Duane makes a good point about the rudder. (You can count on him.) Don't only bring it home--store it where it won't freeze. Inevitably, it gets some moisture in the core which, if it freezes, causes the blade to split down the forward and aft seams. You may already see some of that splitting--it's pretty common, especially up in the head of the blade. There have been several threads on split or cracked rudders. Use the Search function on "rudder".

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Jody
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Response Posted - 10/04/2002 : 21:48:34

Hi Don, yes, GBY is right next to Humbug on N. Gibraltar. Perhaps we could "tour" one another's boat sometime?

I wouldn't have thought about antifreeze in the bilge - thanks Dave. I'll probably put a full gallon in each tank as too much can't hurt as much as not enough! The bottom has VC17 on it. I plan on using the same stuff. I would've missed the rudder too - thanks Duane.

Thanks for the offer on the manuals Frank. I think I'm set though. Every manual (some for gear not even installed anymore) was saved. Once the snow flies I'll try to get some of these into a pdf so they can be posted. Do you all disasseble do maintenance on your winches every year as recomended in the manual?

Thank you all for the warm welcome!

It has been an exciting and fantastic first season for me even if abridged. I am really enthusiastic about an overnight trip next year.

Jody Larrow, '84 SR/FK

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EricCS
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Response Posted - 10/05/2002 : 09:00:56

Welcom Jody!

One thing I've done differently than some others is that I leave the battery aboard my boat, connected to a five-watt flexible solar panel hung in one of the boat's windows.

Charm spends her winters on the hard facing approximately west, so her port windows face south. The Uni-Solar <http://www.uniden.com/product.cfm?cat=Marine%20Electronics> five-watt flexible panel was enough to keep my battery charged before I got a Tiller Pilot and is still sufficient to keep the battery fully charged during the winter. And a fully-charged battery is unlikely to freeze.

HTH

Eric Spitzner, AP (eric@snet.net)
Catalina 25 #4445 "Charm"
41°16.18'N 72°54.03'W

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jellyfish
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Response Posted - 10/07/2002 : 12:19:52

welcome Jody, cant tell you anything about "winterizeing" all we do down here is add sweaters to the boat!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 10/07/2002 : 14:00:07

Welcome aboard Jody.

Can't add much to what has already been said.. I do all of that including the rudder in the basement.. has anyone mentioned fogging the engine before storage and draining the lower gearcase and refilling it before it gets too cold. Drains better before it gets cold. And the porta potty needs attention at this time also. If you have one of those plumbed johns you'll want to hear from those with expertise therin, I'm sure there are several to do's regarding same.

Have a great time with your boat you'll love it in time.

Val on "CALISTA" #3036

Val Bisagni

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jm
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Response Posted - 10/07/2002 : 16:42:07

It's my understanding that 'fogging' is for 2-stroke engines, and
not necessary for 4-strokes. It 'clogs' more than 'fogs'. I do however, put some light weight oil into the piston chambers through the spark plug holes, and pull it a few times to cover the cylinder walls.

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Response Posted - 10/08/2002 : 00:43:52

Remember to carefully read the labels on the antifreeze that you are using in your water tanks and heads, because most of these products are sold with a "Burst" rating and not a freeze rating.

<img src="http://www.boatus-store.com/Items/400000/410100.jpg" border=0>
For example, the StarBrite -50 degree Water System Antifreeze doesn't mean you have freeze protection to -50 degrees. It means that when using this product, a copper pipe will burst at -50 degrees. In fact, the label states for this product that ice crystals will start forming at "12 degrees". The bottom line is be careful when choosing antifreeze because plastic pipes, tanks, and heads will burst a lot sooner than copper pipe.

Don Lucier, North Star
C25 SR/FK

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/08/2002 : 16:43:57

Our spring, past 6 months ago or so, was wet and cold. I had a terrible time finding the days I needed to touch-up the bottom paint of osmepneo. When I finally got it to the club, I was tzalking to friend and he said he does his in the fall. Obviously the type of paint makes a difference, and my ablative paint doesn't break down if left for the winter.

so, my plan is to do it this month, perhaps this w/e.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake

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Jody
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Response Posted - 10/09/2002 : 00:25:24

I plan on fixing the charging system on the motor this winter in the basement. Once it is in good shape, I'll coat the cylinders w/oil. I'll definitely change the oil in the gearcase to check for good seals. BTW, while looking for some information on my motor I found an excellent page on the Evenrude 9.9: http://www.pugetsoundanglers.org/Fishing%20Info/Johnson%209.9_15.htm

Thanks again Don for the heads up on the antifreeze. I would've seen -50 and assumed that was the temperature in deg F it was good to!

I'm not sure a solar panel is practical for me in MI. I hope a fixed charging system will be all I need.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>...all we do down here is add sweaters to the boat!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> You're killing me, this is a very emotional time <smiff> <sniff> (she comes outta the water next week) -- you could be more sensitive! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Jody Larrow, '84 SR/FK

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luckystar
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Response Posted - 10/09/2002 : 02:05:52

Now, you need to send us pictures of your wonderful new boat! Mine comes out of the water this spring to get it's first bottom job in at least ten years! (here, lake sailing in the south, there's not a lot of know-how or equipment if you don't have a trailer) I'm going to try to sail her all winter long, we tend to have a few january days that you can actually wear shorts. I spent last winter, though, not sailing, buttoned her up for winter and didn't see her (except to check every now and then) for six months. Can't bear to do that again, it was heart wrenching, so I feel your pain about pulling out!! You'll get to do lot's of "getting to know" her and fixing, though! Good Luck and good to have you aboard.

Patrick Burnett, Little Rock, AR
S/V Lucky Star #2707 1982 SK/SR

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