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ruachwrights
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Initially Posted - 04/09/2010 : 06:28:58

Check out this link to a Macgregor 26M in purported 18' seas. No, I am not a big fan of Macgregors, but it is, nonetheless, a shot in the arm for the 25' worldview we share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smlP6iXnk2s
If a Macgregor can to it...

Vern

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 06:34:50

Just cuz ya can doesn't mean ya should.

I hate U-tube cuz I can't seem to avoid watching "related videos".

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxmDYpj_lo8&feature=related"]Here's one[/url] that was "related" to the one above. Is it me or is it just stupid to be hiked out on the side of a MacGregor(or any such boat)outside the lifelines in 45 knot winds and 45 degrees of heel WITHOUT EVEN A LIFE JACKET. Not to mention "walking" the lifeline in order to secure a reef in the main. Oh, yeah he does retrieve his beer that has a foam coozie on it. Maybe that'll keep him afloat. I'm impressed by the seaworthiness of the boat and the Autopilot, the sailors have little to admire.

Edited by - John Russell on 04/09/2010 07:04:20

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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 07:43:37

Phooey! Sorry, but those winds aren't in the forties. Maybe it was different at the top of the mast on the 70-footer (probably 100' up). 40-50 creates sheets of spray as the whitecaps on every wave get blown off, and turns Mac-26s upside down. That looks like mid-twenties to me. Watch the splashes off the bow--they're not even getting the crew wet. Wave size is a separate issue--when they're coming from Japan or Alaska, they can be big!

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/09/2010 07:47:59

John Russell
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 08:01:30

I found it difficult to believe as well since the guys hair wasn't even blowing around but, that's what they reported. I guess that makes it all the more dangerous since others might get the "if he can do it, I can do it" attitude.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 08:04:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Just cuz ya can doesn't mean ya should.

I hate U-tube cuz I can't seem to avoid watching "related videos".

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxmDYpj_lo8&feature=related"]Here's one[/url] that was "related" to the one above. Is it me or is it just stupid to be hiked out on the side of a MacGregor(or any such boat)outside the lifelines in 45 knot winds and 45 degrees of heel WITHOUT EVEN A LIFE JACKET. Not to mention "walking" the lifeline in order to secure a reef in the main. Oh, yeah he does retrieve his beer that has a foam coozie on it. Maybe that'll keep him afloat. I'm impressed by the seaworthiness of the boat and the Autopilot, the sailors have little to admire.
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Been there, done that. On the C-25 and a 22' Macgregor and never felt that I was in any real danger. Gotta admit though, watching someone else do it, it seems kinda dumb to not be wearing a life jacket and harness

Dave I have to agree with you this time. The conditions look more like mid to upper twenties. Also the way the boat is handeling with the amount of sail they have up looks more appropriate to winds in the mid to upper twenties.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 08:24:30

My impression too. Long waves can be big but not that difficult to handle. My experience in 45kt winds included spray that limited visibility to about a boat length,

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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 08:28:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 [quote]Originally posted by John Russell
 Dave I have to agree with you this time...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Finally!

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 09:49:16

I agree with John above, that this is an irresponsible claim, that the Macgregor 26 can handle gale-force winds, strong-gale force winds, or storm-force winds. The narrator, Mr. Macgregor, implies that the wind was up to 50 knots based on the USCG warning flags. I guess he owns the company, right?

There were between "scattered whitecaps" up to "numerous whitecaps", but little spray indicating 25 kt, and no "common whitecaps" with foam streaks indicating 30 kt, or 35kt, let alone 40 or 50kt!

If you notice, he didn't show the boat surfing back in to Newport Beach harbor down those 12 ft waves that he implied were 18 ft waves. Pure bull!

Here's the Beaufort wind scale, for those who don't have it handy:

I'm itchin' to go out tomorrow with the predicted W winds 10-15 kt, instead of Sunday with only 5-10 kt.

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piseas
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 12:19:09

I live in Newport Beach, CA and sail that ocean all the time. I have never heard of 18'seas there, EVER. Maybe 6'or 8'. As far as gale winds, I recall once of such a warning last year. But those are not the conditions these guys were sailing in. I could point out many indiscrepancies but why? Looked like a small craft warning to me! A Mac would never make it in that type of sea. PERIOD.
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Renzo
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 12:43:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 [quote]Originally posted by John Russell
 Dave I have to agree with you this time...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Finally!
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Even a blind pig gets a kernel of corn once-in-awhile

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redviking
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 13:33:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Renzo
 [quote]Originally posted by John Russell
 Dave I have to agree with you this time...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Finally!
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Even a blind pig gets a kernel of corn once-in-awhile

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OMG! Will you two just get a room?

Thought it was funny when the narrator used the term MPH instead of using the more nautical term Knots!!! And this was the manufacturers video!!! Who was the narrator - Bob Bitchin? I'll admit the seas did look big enough to be something, but seriously, what are they trying to prove? That idiots can go out in any conditions? Where was the waterskier under tow from the 50 horse?

Water ballast does not make a boat seaworthy - period. OK I guess I agree with Dave too. Ménage à trois?

sten

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islander
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 14:56:49

I kept waiting for JimB to come into the shot, Pass them, And exit the shot....

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redviking
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 15:28:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by islander
 I kept waiting for JimB to come into the shot, Pass them, And exit the shot....

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right - with harnesses, a reef or two in the main, and trailing a drogue to slow him down!

sten

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/09/2010 : 17:34:04

Note also that the boat was not working upwind. It is on a reach taking the waves on the beam. The waves look about 8 feet to me. That is the real easiest point of sail in wind and waves. The wind looks less than 20 knots.

I'd sail my C25 in those conditions, I'd be up with the #2 spinnaker and surfing those babys!

To be honest, I would probably sail, but stay in the harbor. Waves above 8 break all the way across the Mission Bay harbor entrance. I like to sail out and surf back in, its good practice. It looks to me like a day for a 110 and reefed main.

Ask my crew for last years Todos Santos Regatta about large waves, rough seas, my #2 spinnaker, and hitting speeds near 9 knots surfing the big ones (while 65 miles downwind from home).

Edited by - JimB517 on 04/09/2010 17:36:34

britinusa
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Response Posted - 04/10/2010 : 09:15:54

Those waves don't appear to be as heavy as we dealt with crossing to Bimini (very much not according to the forecast!), but our conditions were much shorter and we didn't have the luxury of beam reach, we had to go under motor, sailing would have been brutal and we would not get anywhere close the heading we needed to avoid arriving in Nova Scotia.

Yep, the boat handled well, Nope the crew did not seem to be following coast guard guildlines, I could not tell if they were jacketed and teathered, but the gale warning would have me heading the other way.

Edited by - britinusa on 04/10/2010 09:22:34

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