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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Initially Posted - 04/24/2010 : 11:57:58

I've mentioned seeing this before, and it was suggested I might be smoking or sniffing something... I saw it again today--same place--Norwalk Cove Marina in Norwalk, CT. Here are two shots of the same underbody... The poor quality of the image is due to my old-fashioned cell phone.

Dave Bristle
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Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

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SEAN
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 04/24/2010 : 16:43:27

From the looks of the bottom of that thing, I bet he wishes he had a wing.

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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 04/24/2010 : 16:46:10

Why is this 250 so unique? Is it not supposed to have a fin keel?
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 04/24/2010 : 18:48:41

As far as I know, there ain't no such a thing as a fin keeled C-250. But I'm hardly an expert. Good eye Dave, it'd be interesting to know it's history.

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 04/24/2010 : 22:01:37

From Catalina promotional literature:

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 04/25/2010 : 03:52:21

The outboard appears to be on an adjustable mounting and in the down position.

But I'm guessing it's a short shaft outboard. Our outboard prop is much lower.

Dave, did it have lifelines?

Rick, is your bimini attached to the catbird seats?

Paul

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 04/25/2010 : 05:48:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by britinusa
...Rick, is your bimini attached to the catbird seats?

Paul

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Yes, Paul, the bimini is attached to the catbird seats. It came that way when I bought it, and it is a really clever way to attach it. No additional holes in the fiberglass, and no additional tripping hazard. It's also all the way back over the pilot and catbird seats, which we really wanted.

Funny story - we hired a professional instructor for our first time out under sail, and he also owns a sail loft/canvas shop. Not surprisingly, he was more critical of our sails and bimini than the surveyor had been. When he was taking shots at our bimini I pointed out how it was attached to the catbird seat, and he admitted that it was really nicely done, and he would not have been able to bend the metal to do it.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 04/25/2010 : 07:28:03

Rick, could you post some pics that show that setup (perhaps in a seperate thread)

Paul

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/25/2010 : 09:22:39

Yup--the keel looked like it had caught a few objects, coming and going. I didn't notice whether there were lifelines--it's not apparent in my poor-quality image... Before I posted this, I checked the Owners directory here and found not one 250 fin. But the profile does look just like the brochure drawing. If I get back to that yard, I'll look for a hull number.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/26/2010 : 12:45:45

Wierd. There is no C250 fin keel. The rudder on that boat is an early generation unbalanced rudder so that boat is no new prototype either.

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 04/26/2010 : 13:23:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Wierd. There is no C250 fin keel. The rudder on that boat is a 1st generation unbalanced rudder so that boat is no new prototype either.
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This review from 1997 mentions a fin keel being available in early models:

http://www.cruisingworld.com/article.jsp?ID=201034& typeID=397& catID=571

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/26/2010 : 18:30:44

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 04/26/2010 : 19:56:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nautiduck
 Wierd. There is no C250 fin keel...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yer lookin' at one!

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I know what you techie geniuses can do with computer graphics.

I sent the photos to someone I have been working with at Catalina Yachts. I'll let you know what he says about this.

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 05/02/2010 : 12:36:44

Update: If my memory is accurate (from seeing it again this afternoon), she's hull #237, built in 1996. The keel has been patched up a little and painted, and looks ready to launch.

BTW, the drawing Rick posted reminds me of how I've always suspected the centerboard on the WB model would seem to create considerably more weather helm and potential round-ups unless it's pulled up maybe 15-20 degrees from the position shown. No??

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Response Posted - 05/02/2010 : 12:58:54

Yes Dave, my centerboard gets raised about two handfuls at the beginning of the season and remains there. Boat has not attempted to
round up with the centerboard raised and with the IDA rudder. I am more careful with sail trim also.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/02/2010 : 13:04:24

I didn't think catbird seats were available on the earlier models.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/02/2010 : 14:43:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 I didn't think catbird seats were available on the earlier models.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">They're on Rick's '98 above--just 21 hulls newer.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 05/02/2010 : 15:49:04

They're on my '99 also.

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 05/02/2010 : 16:32:13

348-237=111 hulls newer

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 05/02/2010 : 17:57:58

Ya, ya... I wondered about my number... I'll be joining the local chapter of DAM:
Mothers Against Dyslexia

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 05/02/2010 17:58:56

Ian Brisbane
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Response Posted - 08/20/2012 : 23:01:56

Hi guys this forum isd a bit old but I just purchased hull number 277 and she is a fin keel Photo attached.

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delliottg
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Response Posted - 08/20/2012 : 23:23:23

Ian,
Welcome to the forum! It'd be very cool to see pictures of your boat.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 08/21/2012 : 01:45:06

Yes, a fin keel was offered for a year or so as the brochure showed. Initial reaction to the w/b was negative and thus the wing and fin were introduced in '96 models to save the design. The centerboard was also given a stop block to position it more aft at some point around '97 model. Catbird seats indicate at least a '97 model as only the '95-96 did not have them.

At first, the rounding up problem was blamed on W/B but after releasing the wing version, it was evident with it as well and in a strange way, the release of the wing, saved the water ballast design.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 08/21/2012 : 03:01:40

Ian, Welcome.

So, now we find out if the cabin is the wing or centerboard variety.

If the step from the cabin to the aft berth is just about 2" then it's based on the centerboard model, but if it's much greater, then it's the wing hull.

Paul

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 08/21/2012 : 09:09:53

Welcome,Ian. I imagine you have quite a story to tell of the purchase and delivery of the distinctive, if not unique, fin keel from Connecticut Australia. Care to share?

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