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limey156
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Initially Posted - 05/05/2010 : 09:30:31

here is the summary of our survey, only a few minor things to tend to then we are off sailing!

* A. SAFETY DEFICIENCIES
A.1. No smoke detector or CO detector installed Install smoke and CO detectors.

* B. DEFICIENCIES NEEDING ATTENTION
B.1. Small chip in starboard side gelcoat. Patch and seal
B.2. Rust exposed on keel. Scrape and repaint keel.
B.3. Crack in keel lifting mechanism housing. Investigate and repair
B.4. Keel zinc deteriorated. Renew zinc
B 5. Bottom paint flaking. Renew bottom paint.
B.6. Fuse holders loose. Repair/replace fuse panel
B.7. Boom vang turning block broken. Renew turning block
B.8. Rope clutches deteriorated. Renew rope clutches

* C. SURVEYOR’S NOTES AND OBSERVATIONS
C.1. Lifelines covered by vinyl Remove covering and inspect wires
C.2. Shrouds and turnbuckles covered Remove covering and boots

B. Narrative Summary
Sun Dancer has been well maintained over her lifetime as is evident by her current condition and through a review of the maintenance documentation. The previous owner renewed the keel lifting tackle on a regular basis (I saw records of such renewal for 2005 and 2007). She is equipped with a 3-year-old set of sails and shows no evidence of moisture intrusion or delamination. Except as noted above, the rig appears to be in very good condition and was reported as having been renewed, although the documentation for this was not seen. The main concern is the crack in the housing for the keel lifting mechanism. All appearances are that this is a surface crack only, but it should be watched when the vessel is launched and when under sail.

As a result of my investigation, as stated in the Systems (III), and Findings and Recommendations (IV), sections of this Report of Survey, and by virtue of my experience, my opinion is;

OVERALL VESSEL RATING: High Average Condition.

EXCELLENT, (Bristol) CONDITION, is a vessel that is maintained in mint or Bristol fashion, usually better than factory new, with numerous extras. A rarity.
ABOVE AVERAGE CONDITION, has had above average care and is equipped with extra electrical and electronic equipment.
AVERAGE CONDITION, ready for sale, requiring no additional work and normally equipped for her size.
FAIR CONDITION requires usual maintenance to prepare for sale.
POOR CONDITION, substantial yard work is required and the vessel is devoid of extras.
RESTORABLE CONDITION, enough of the hull and engine exists to restore the boat to useable condition.

Research on the price estimates for a 1980 Catalina 25 has yielded a range of values based on condition and equipment. NADA suggests a range of $5,915 to $6,720 based upon condition. The BUC range is $6,550 to $7,550. There are about 20 1980 Calalina 25s for sale on YachtWorld with asking prices ranging from over $19.000 to as low as $3,500. The two for sale on the East Coast, Maine and New York respectively, are priced at $3,500 and $5,500. While these prices would probably be lower on the actual sale, the general range of values described above gives a realistic estimate of a market value for this vessel. Therefore, after consideration of the reliability of the data, the extent of the necessary adjustments and conditions of the vessel, it is this surveyor’s opinion that the

FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE SUBJECT VESSEL IS: $6,200.00
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Hello all, another in a long list of inquiry's i am sure. this was noted in our survey report which i got last night. any idea on where i can pick up a direct replacement so i can bring it down with me when i try to sail home? I basically have no idea what size this is... although it looks like a basic piece i could find at any decent sail shop.

Sun Dancer
1980 C25 SR/SK #1992
Hammock Island Marina, Chesapeake Bay.

Edited by - limey156 on 05/05/2010 10:55:47

JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/05/2010 : 10:31:56

certainly the vang is not essential for a safe sail home. In case you are running very deep in rough seas and the boom is sking it is simple to make a preventer with a 10 foot piece of line.

Surely you can buy the block at any West Marine or any sailing shop. Order on line from Annapolis Performance Sailing.

Survey sounds very good. The boat has no flaws worthy of concern. Don't know about that crack.

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limey156
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Response Posted - 05/05/2010 : 10:40:00

Yeah i dont 'need' it to sail home...I am just antsy to get my new baby all shipshape! I guess ill just wait till i get it home and then take it to a shop to match it up.

the crack is just in the interior surface and not through the core, the surveyor looked at it and talked with catalina about it, the consensus is it is a non-issue but when i have the bottom re-done i may have a fiberglass guy look at it/ patch it up for peace of mind.

thanks for the input on the survey!

here is a pic of the crack in question, it starts at the top and then down the starboard side as seen:

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 05/05/2010 : 10:51:20

What you have is a non-standard, "jury rig" piece of equipment designed by the PO for a specific application. Aside from looking tacky, it probably works well and is cheap since only the roller needs to be replaced. It looks like all the wear and tear on the roller was caused by chafe against the clevis. You can buy the roller at Catalina Direct. The correct block will probably run $40+ but will not wear out like the part you have did.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/05/2010 : 12:23:49

Al what we are looking at is the swing keel's lifting cable enclosure. The rubber hose is the factories design to pass the cable from the wet side to the dry side without admitting any water. It is standard issue. The crack is the result of some peculiar fore to stern stressing like dropping from the trailer to the ground or some such inadvertent happening. Hope I'm wrong

Val on Calista #3936,swing to wing retrofit.

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Tom Gauntt
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Response Posted - 05/05/2010 : 17:23:30

I think Al is talking about the vang tackle i.e. using a "D" shackle and small sheave rather than a block. While this might work, it's hard to believe one could get enough purchase to get the vang tight enough without two fiddle blocks.

As for the "crack" around the keel cable "volcano", I wouldn't be too worried. What the crack probably is is a cosmetic crack. The interior liner is "tabbed" to the hull in various locations when they mate to two halves at the factory. It is not unusual for the tabbing (basically fiberglass cloth and resin) to crack due to stresses over the years from use, weather, temperature changes, etc. Any decent survey would've found a problem if it were serious. It would be wise to check it frequently when you first launch the boat, but I'd be surprised if this were anything other than cosmetic.

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 05/07/2010 : 07:52:23

That crack most likely developed due to extra thick gelcaot sprayed in there. Sand it out and check the F/G. If it's only in the gelcoat, worry about something else.

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limey156
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Response Posted - 05/07/2010 : 08:45:33

thanks for the words of wisdom, we'll keep an eye on it and it will probably do nothing!

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