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hotshot9999
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Initially Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:50:41

I am looking for a 250 WK in the midwest area

Interested in wheel steering bimini and must have trailer

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/01/2010 : 09:55:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hotshot9999
 I am looking for a 250 WK in the midwest area
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">This may be your lucky day. Unfortunately, I'm unemployed and must sell mine.

[url="http://www.catalina-capri-25s.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21810"]C250 Wing Keel in Sandusky, Ohio[/url]

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Response Posted - 07/02/2010 : 18:51:40

Hotshot, I have a trailer and a tiller . Can I ask why you want a wheel? Not a criticism, just curious. Biminis are easy add-ons after a purchase for a few hundred dollars.

Where in the midwest? Is it worth the drive to Sandusky, Ohio to take a look?

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Response Posted - 07/04/2010 : 06:40:49

I like the look of the wheel but most of all I want the motor controls where they are easier to get to.

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Response Posted - 07/04/2010 : 07:25:55

Fair enough. I agree, access to the controls is sometimes a pain. Particularly when docking. But, look closely, you may be disappointed about the motor controls. Not all outboards have remotes. There are very few saildrive (inboard) versions of the boat. Wish I had one of those sometimes.

Good luck with your search. The 250 is a great boat.

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Response Posted - 07/04/2010 : 10:33:59

Having been there, thought that (at hand wheel controls)I'm just as glad not to have that feature. First and foremost, once at the helm of your own 250 you're likely to find that you really don't use the outboard and where the controls to it are really do not matter.

Second and probably more important, there are times and in certain situations (both in tight quarters - like docking and when rapid turns are called for) when you'll need to grab the outboard's tiller to steer your boat. In some circumstances wheel steering will not cut it or cut sharp corners quickly (unless you have "the link").

And as someone above posted, there are few boats out there that have this feature. You'll look for a very long time to find a boat that has this and in the condition/price range you're shopping for.

Good luck.

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Response Posted - 07/05/2010 : 06:22:54

Superbob thanks for your comment but I am not a novice sailor and know how boats do and don't respond both wheel and tiller.

But I'm curious how you have the insight as to how much I'm willing to pay for the "right" boat as I have never posted a price I'm willing to pay?

Actually about half the newer 250s for sale have wheel steering with controls at the wheel.

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Response Posted - 07/05/2010 : 08:58:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by hotshot9999
 Superbob thanks for your comment but I am not a novice sailor and know how boats do and don't respond both wheel and tiller.

But I'm curious how you have the insight as to how much I'm willing to pay for the "right" boat as I have never posted a price I'm willing to pay?

Actually about half the newer 250s for sale have wheel steering with controls at the wheel.
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I think Bob was referring to the hard link between the rudder and the outboard for more positive steering. It's a mod that many here at the forum have made to their "wheel" and tiller steering. It is not a factory addition. Also, Arlyn's steering upgrade is another option I would look for on a "wheel" 250. Again more positive steering with no slop like the factory cable delivers on a "stock" boat.

Do some searching here for these upgrades. Of coarse, all can be added to your boat if you do not find one with these already on it.

As for price, I think Bob was referring to the market for boats right now. It definitely is a buyers market and most buyers are looking for low prices from those who have to sell. It is a very good time to buy, if you can.

Good Luck and did you get my email?

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/05/2010 : 09:39:48

On-pedestal controls would be handy and I have thought about adding them from time to time. For us it would be a "nice to have" as we find the controls on the outboard easy to reach and use. I have also found that we don't need a rudder-to-outboard link although others love them. It's all about personal preferences.

While there are a good percentage of C250s with wheel steering I have not seen many with the controls mounted on the pedestal. Perhaps it is more prevalent on the newest boats but there aren't a whole lot of new boats being sold.

If you can't find a boat with the on-pedestal steering, Edson does sell all of the parts for the upgrade. When you find your 250 join the Association and be a participant in the forums. Good luck in your search!

PS. We live in Oregon and bought our 250 in Iowa. Our good friends got their 250 in Indiana. Broadening your search may help you get the boat you want and the road trip to bring the boat home can be fun.

Edited by - Nautiduck on 07/05/2010 09:43:19

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Response Posted - 07/05/2010 : 11:37:06

My earlier post mentioned tiller which was meant to reference the tiller on the outboard motor not tiller steering as compared to wheel steering. Honestly, being able to grab the outboard tiller in an emergency situation (and there's been a few) had made the difference between it being no big deal and disaster.

On the west coast there are few, if any, 250's being advertised in sail mags or on Craigslist. This seems to be typical out this way. But when there are 250wk's with a trailer average around 18 to 21K for a vintage of 2002 or older, all depending on condition.

For some reason many 250's on this coast are sold without a trailer as there never was one to begin with. Those are usually parked in marinas with access to the Pacific ocean. Mine was one of those but whose owner later purchased one for her in 2005.

With your experience you already know this but I'll say it anyway: It's a good idea to have the boat surveyed before making a final offer. You'll find that anything that comes up needing repair will have a definite effect on the asking price.

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hotshot9999
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Response Posted - 07/11/2010 : 08:44:15

I think I have found the one I want

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/11/2010 : 11:50:56

Great! Good luck and post photos once you seal the deal.

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Response Posted - 07/11/2010 : 15:40:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by superbob
 
Second and probably more important, there are times and in certain situations (both in tight quarters - like docking and when rapid turns are called for) when you'll need to grab the outboard's tiller to steer your boat. In some circumstances wheel steering will not cut it or cut sharp corners quickly (unless you have "the link").
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A lot of my friends who moved up in size had a VERY hard time transitioning from outboard to inboard for the very advantage that you cite with outboards (directional steering). They had to "unlearn" their reliance on the directional steering capability, and there is a steep learning curve to contend with. Those that had the easiest time of it basically locked their outboard in a single position and gave up on using directional thrust.

I think that once you move to an inboard that having throttle/transmission control at the pedestal (or a similar place if you have a tiller) moves from "nice to have" to "must have" as it reduces the workload. It is one less thing that you have to think about when juggling everything else. You have got to really keep ahead of the boat when you only have prop walk, fwd and reverse thrust, lines, current and wind as tools in you toolbox.

In the interest of full disclosure I have an inboard with sail drive, and I am far from being a virtuoso in close quarters maneuvering (especially when single handing

Regards

Mark

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