Association Forum - HELP, Need new rudder and tiller

Assn Members Area · Join

Home.

Association Forum

Ships Store

Cruising

Racing

Technical Tips

Photo Gallery - New

Boat Search - Updated

Manuals & Brochures

Swap Meet

Links

Officer Flag Line & Staff

Bylaws & Constitution

Members Area

Join the Association

Notice:
The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.

Association Forum

Username:	Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

All Forums

Catalina/Capri 25/250 Sailor's Forums

Catalina 25 Specific Forum

HELP, Need new rudder and tiller

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Author

Topic

SJ
Navigator

Member Avatar

USA
198 Posts

Initially Posted - 07/18/2010 : 09:21:19

OK, so I went out this morning and noticed that the tiller felt a bit loose....No worries figured it was just me. Ummmmm not so. Tiller split along the line of the 3 bolts and then i saw that the rudder has also delaminated. So any pressure on the helm started splitting the rudder apart and the tiller was also splitting. had two splits along two different plains...not good. So out came the boat tape, whit of course, and wrapped everythinig so i could limp home. Of course the breeze was perfect 12-15 SW! So my question is, where is the best place to purchase a new rudder and tiller. i went to CD and they seem a bit high, but if that is the place then thats where I'll go. Any input will be greatly appreciated......
THANKS!

Edited by - SJ on 07/18/2010 09:53:11

Voyager
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
5369 Posts

Response Posted - 07/18/2010 : 10:08:32

SJ
There have been several threads on both subjects over the years. There have been a several inventive solutions for replacement tillers, but a laminated mahogany & ash tiller is the standard issue.

Mahogany is beautiful, highly weatherproof, and ash is very flexible. By laminating, you get the benefits afforded by each.

Some people have fashioned oak or maple tillers using two pieces of flat stock cut on a band-saw or sabre-saw in the desired profile and glueing/screwing them together. These will do, but will weather badly, and don't have the needed flex and will split and crack in a season or two. This approach is a low cost way of creating a "backup" tiller.

I'd either go with the CD tiller, or look on the web for another supplier like Defender, but you'd be well advised to replace yours with a laminated tiller.

The rudder is another story. CD offers the fully balanced rudder which is IMHO the best. Since it has a portion of the foil ahead of the pivot point, there is very little turning resistance even when you have to turn hard at 5kts.

You may want to post a request for a replacement rudder and tiller on the Swap Meet, or look around on eBay or Craig's List

Edited by - on

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
9080 Posts

Response Posted - 07/18/2010 : 11:33:00

Use [url="http://catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/search.asp"]Search[/url] for "Rudder" in the C-25-specific forum (including arhived posts), and sit down for a nice, long read!

Edited by - on

SJ
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
198 Posts

Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 12:41:19

So I'm guessing that CD is really the only place to order a new rudder. Do I go for the standard balanced rudder or the new HPDE version???

Edited by - on

Champipple
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

USA
6855 Posts

Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 13:01:55

There are other places SJ. We split one in half on a delivery to/with the new owner and he was able to purchase one from Idasailor.

Lowell at CD is probably cheaper in this case but give these guys a call none-the-less. When we broke ours he had a return due to a mis-order that he couldn't sell as new. The new owner got it for a reasonable price.

Edited by - on

JohnP
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

1520 Posts

Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 13:14:03

I replaced my original [28 year old] broken rudder with a new balanced rudder from CD. It is made with hard-as-a-rock polymer foam inside with about 1/8" of fiberglass outside that and then gel coat and it should last me another 28 years, I think.

I've seen tillers in excellent shape at [url="http://baconsails.biz/used-amp-unique-items.html"]Bacon & Associates [/url] in Annapolis, MD, at [url="http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/"]Minney's Yacht Surplus[/url] in Costa Mesa, CA, and there are probably some also at [url="http://www.sailorman.com/used_gear.php"]Sailorman [/url] in Ft. Lauderdale. You could call each store and see what they have at a discount in your size.

Edit: added "fiberglass" to my engineering plan for the rudder... ridiculous without it!

Edited by - JohnP on 07/20/2010 09:41:09

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
9080 Posts

Response Posted - 07/19/2010 : 20:38:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SJ
 So I'm guessing that CD is really the only place to order a new rudder. Do I go for the standard balanced rudder or the new HPDE version???<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I bought the fiberglass-over-foam balanced rudder from Catalina Direct--I believe it to be what Catalina upgraded to in about 1987-8. I also believe it to be more "balanced" than the Ida, based on looking at the diagrams. It was a great improvement over the original--like power steering, with less flutter.

There have been a few reports of HDPE rudders snapping... Since CD sells both, you could ask Lowell, the owner, about their experience--I expect he'll give you a straight answer.

Edited by - on

djdurrett
Navigator

Members Avatar

124 Posts

Response Posted - 07/22/2010 : 08:58:11

Where are you located? I had one split and I ground it out and filled it with penetrating epoxy then reglassed the trailing edge. It works fine but I ended up getting a new one becasue i like spending money... I could loan you my old one or sell it. I just would not want to try to ship it so give me you 20.

DD

Edited by - on

SJ
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
198 Posts

Response Posted - 07/22/2010 : 09:12:16

DD,

Located on Long island, NY. I spoke with Catalina and the mold is in FL. They can build me a new rudder for 6.6 boat units.

SJ

Edited by - on

Stinkpotter
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

Djibouti
9080 Posts

Response Posted - 07/22/2010 : 10:50:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SJ
 I spoke with Catalina and the mold is in FL. They can build me a new rudder for 6.6 boat units.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That's exactly what Catalina Direct is charging (+ packing and shipping) for what I'm pretty sure is the [url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=761&ParentCat=82"]same rudder[/url]. CD might get it from Catalina. You could ask them if they have it in stock. You'll have to mount your own pintles--a bit of a tricky task...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 07/22/2010 10:52:05

SJ
Navigator

Members Avatar

USA
198 Posts

Response Posted - 07/26/2010 : 10:43:23

Thanks for the info! Will call CD today

Edited by - on

Tjarnold
Deckhand

Members Avatar

USA
24 Posts

Response Posted - 08/17/2010 : 07:41:52

Idasailor in Garden City Idaho. They supply CD.

Edited by - on

Tjarnold
Deckhand

Members Avatar

USA
24 Posts

Response Posted - 08/17/2010 : 07:44:42

www.idasailor.com

Ask for Joel. These guys are active trailer sailers, racers, and extremely helpful.

Edited by - on

Tjarnold
Deckhand

Members Avatar

USA
24 Posts

Response Posted - 08/17/2010 : 07:46:05

Correction. They are "Sailors" not "Sailers".

Edited by - on

pastmember
Master Marine Consultant

Members Avatar

2402 Posts

Response Posted - 08/17/2010 : 11:31:49

Tillers are cheap, rudders are not. Many Catalina balanced rudders look split but are not.

Edited by - on

Topic

New Topic

Topic Locked

Printer Friendly

Jump To:

Association Forum

Notice: The advice given on this site is based upon individual or quoted experience, yours may differ.
The Officers, Staff and members of this site only provide information based upon the concept that anyone utilizing this information does so at their own risk and holds harmless all contributors to this site.