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PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 09:19:13

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 11:16:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stu Jackson C34
 Why not a C30?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">60% of the displacement and a bigger, fractional rig... He wants to "Fly"!

(At least it isn't as extreme as an Olson 30.)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Good point, how about an Olson 30? They are FAST. Crewed on one for Dallas Race Week in 2009. I see them on CL for 10K to 20K<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">For off-shore ocean racing and weekending aboard? I dunno... The specs suggest it's a big buoy-racer. (Do they all have outboards?)

Anyway, the end results have more to do with how the boat is sailed than what it is... The sleds just get to be up front at the finish and then growl back in the clubhouse when they get corrected out by a C-34. (That's why I like pursuit... Let the battle begin!) Jim's dilemma is whether the Flyer hull and sails are good enough that he can sail to or beat her numbers. (With college tuition, I'm guessing there probably won't be many new sails.

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 12:30:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PCP777
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stu Jackson C34
 Why not a C30?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">60% of the displacement and a bigger, fractional rig... He wants to "Fly"!

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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Here's a cool video of Speedster, the boat I crewed on. She's fast and well mannered, points super high and is a joy to sail. She has a tiny outboard that she hardly uses, sailing in and out of the marina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgu2VAxsFUE&feature=related

The interior is a bit spartan but still pretty nice. (This is not Speedster but she looks very familiar down below. )

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 15:05:17

Great video -- but I have to laugh -- Frostbite regatta -- wearing shorts? Come on up to CT this winter and I'll show you FROSTBITING!

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PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 15:32:51

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bigelowp
 Great video -- but I have to laugh -- Frostbite regatta -- wearing shorts? Come on up to CT this winter and I'll show you FROSTBITING!
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HAHA I know,I actually grew up in New Canaan and we actually had our sailboat in a marina in Rowayton at one time.

It had been down in the 40's (Nothing cold like a CT winter, but enough to make you want to have your heavy jacket and your gloves on while sailing.) right up until the day of the regatta on March 6th and it was like 65 degrees and beautiful that day. We were racing a C-27 and I had to take my hoodie off working sheets, dripping sweat racing in the "Frost Bite" .

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 16:51:42

Team Wavelength races their Pearson Flyer in the 204NM Bayview to Mackinac shore course...check out their site:

[http://www.teamwavelength.net/description.htm]

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 18:04:14

if we are going to tease with designs he's not looking at why settle for a Olson 30, when the Olson 911s is such an upgrade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwk5iZiFSkM

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Response Posted - 09/16/2010 : 22:19:43

I have considered an Olson 30, SC 27, and Moore 24. These sleds are fast, light, and can be a real handful. Also they would move me into the much more spendy PHRF Class 4, and near the front. Now the J29 and J 30 are about the same as the Flyer. There is a a real nice J29 here for about $20K. Needs nothing, ready to go.

I'd like to mention that a close friend and consistent crew on Indiscipline will be a partner in this boat, or at least put up 1/2 the money to get her racing. That is making this possible. I will pay him off when kids are out of college.

I've had Indiscipline on Craigslist for $6500 with everything for 2 days now. All cruise and race gear included. Its been listed 2 days and I have 2 people to show it to on Sunday (already).

It would be a real blow if it sold right before the Nationals and also made me put off San Diego - Ensenada (I already have entered and have crew lined up for both).

I bought the boat for $6K and I must have $10K into it extra.

Oh well I'll just take the Pearson to Ensenada with existing rig and sails.

My plan is that if I get some lowball offer I'll say "OK, but I am taking off the following race stuff to sell on my own..."

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 07:03:44

I'm thinking you'll appreciate the more ballasted Flyer compared to the J-29 for ocean work. But if you end up spending $15K to get the Flyer up to the J's level, the J might be a better investment. (Is the J-29 hull balsa-cored?)

Just imagine being able to advertise Indiscipline as the 2010 National Champion...

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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 08:49:02

The Flyer also has more freeboard than the J29 and the Olson 30 seems to have almost no freeboard. I felt pretty safe on the Flyer.

Liked the simple inboard diesel too.

Don't know about parts availability for a BMW 7 HP diesel.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/17/2010 : 11:03:41

those core repairs in the link really scare me

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/21/2010 : 10:10:55

FYI Jim... http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Pearson-Flyer-30-Foot-Sailboat-W0QQAdIdZ231316353

I know nothing about this one.

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Response Posted - 09/23/2010 : 15:02:30

So, Jim... Saw your "trades" listing in the Swap Meet... Does this mean you're committed? To the Flyer?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 09/27/2010 : 22:02:59

Well I am committed to selling. I am 90% sure Indiscipline will be sold this week. I've sold all the spinnaker gear and dropped the price $1000. I may have the main and the 135% hank on sold. I'll drop the price more. I have 5 people looking at the boat this week alone. New motor, new sails, lots of stuff, $5500? What more do you want?

Now I am not committed to the Pearson. I have not made an offer. But I do like the boat. It needs a lot of work. Must pass survey and moisture meter.

A good friend is making quite a pitch for me to consider a Hobie 33.

I have a race to do, I am leaving in Indiscipline on San Diego - Ensenada Friday. That will be 4 races in 5 weeks.

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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 09/27/2010 : 22:29:51

Those Hobie's are rockets!

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hinmo
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 01:07:22

My buddy has a J30 (1980s) for sale. Premo condition, $20K obo. East Coast tho.

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 04:19:17

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 06:34:14

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 06:44:05

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHhg5600Y"]Hobie 33 crash test[/url]. (...in case you round one of those islands a little too closely.

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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=560E-iXEMsg&NR=1"]Reaching[/url].

Looks like a stretched Laser II.

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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 07:15:11

If i were a racer . . . . I would probably not go for a Pearson as resale will only decline but would look at the J series as they have active fleets, are well made and should hold their resale better than many.

Last year my son was in Jr Sailing "big boat" night race. All were on J105's, crews were all "kids" with one "owners rep" on board. Mid race a serious squal (gusts to 70, sustained 50knt)occured. All made it through but hearing the stories from all boats (8) I am mighty impressed with J boats!

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 08:24:55

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by bigelowp
 If i were a racer . . . . I would probably not go for a Pearson as resale will only decline but would look at the J series...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Me too. But I sense that Jim doesn't want to race one-design... I think he wants to run away from a PHRF fleet while doing his best so they don't correct out over him--the diametric opposite of what he does now.

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 09:11:13

Ah, the fine technicalities that remind me why when sailing I feel that just moving forward is a major victory . . . .

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 09:11:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mark Maxwell
 Those Hobie's are rockets!
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We have a Hobie 33 that races with us on the lake. Her name is Soap Opera and she is fast. She's not just a lake racer, she won the Transpac 2005 Double-handed division and finished 22nd overall in that race as well as came in first for the St. Pete NOOD 2009 - Hobie 33 Midwinters. She is owned by Scott Self who is somewhat of a legend on our lake, he started Dallas Race Week and is a very accomplished sailor and cool guy.

http://hobie33class.com/hobie33-regatta-results.htm

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