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kmacken55
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Initially Posted - 09/28/2010 : 10:49:14

I've just purchased a 81 C-25 after sailing a 23 Paceship for the last 12 years. Glad to find this forum and of course CD for a parts source.
I have lots of questions but lets start with a simple one. The mast gate for the slugs or boom has no keeper plate. I'm used to being able to just haul a halyard and from the looks of this rig, the sail is stored with the slugs out of the mast forcing you to feed them up the track as you hoist sail. Then I see that CD offers a halyard kit to lead back to the cockpit. Can someone explain how you keep the slugs in the track when hoisting sail, this cannot be a two person job. I got the boat at a great price but it's now on the hard for the season so I'm starting to make my maintenance plans. I'm unstepping the mast for a full inspection this year so I'll probably replace the sheaves and halyards.
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Keith Mackenzie
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John Russell
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 10:54:45

Keith, congratulations on your new boat and welcome to the forum.

CD sells a mast gate or you can fashion your own out of aluminium.

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 11:40:33

Welcome. This is the best $22 you could spend on your boat!

The mast gate is a 'gotta have' IMHO. I couldn't raise or lower the main without it blowing away if it weren't there.

Edited by - Voyager on 09/28/2010 11:41:56

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 12:20:34

Keith, welcome to the Catalina 25 forum and your first post. I am sure you will find our site valuable. With that thought, how about joining our Association for $22 per year which will add additional benefits such a receiving The Mainsheet Magazine. Please take time to review the many benefits mentioned in the General Sailing Forum, under "Top Reasons to Join Our Association."
Then all you have do to is click on the join button on the top right side of any forum.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Hope you decide to take the plunge and join. I guarantee it will be the best $22 you have ever spent.

Steve Auerbach, Treasurer

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kmacken55
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 12:27:23

Thanks for the advice, I'll check CD again obviously, I missed the mast gate.
With regard to the association... the only reason I haven't yet joined is (don't laugh) I don't remember the hull number!
Thanks again, feels funny to be a newbie again in a new class of boats.

Keith

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 12:34:08

Congratulations on your purchase and a hearty welcome to the Forum!
You have 2 options, installing a mast gate (fashion yourself or buy from CD), or install a sail slide stop in the track just above the gate (a small cylindrical piece of metal with a thumbwheel nut attached). I do the latter because I cleat the main on the mast, for now, so I have to go up to the mast anyway. The sail stops cost under $10, available from CD, West Marine, Defender.com, your choice.

The image is from defender's web site:

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kmacken55
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 13:02:40

David;

The track stop is exactly what is both above and below my boom. Since the gate is about 12" above the boom It sounds like you position the stop with one or two sail slugs below it so the bottom portion of the sail cannot fully drop. Am I understanding this correctly.

Thanks

Keith

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 13:10:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by kmacken55
 . . . I'll check CD again obviously, I missed the mast gate . . .
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Easy to do. There are several layers to Catalina Direct's website.

Edited by - OJ on 09/28/2010 13:10:48

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 13:48:29

Welcome Keith! I also used track stops to position the sliding gooseneck. Another track stop can be used above the gate to capture all of the slugs, but the primary disadvantage is that when reefing, you can't get the reef tack as close to the boom as you would want. That's when the gate plates become a better solution, allowing the lower slugs to get as close to the gooseneck as possible.

[url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1013&ParentCat=121"]CD's Mast Gate Plates[/url] (under "Sail Parts")

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 09/28/2010 13:53:16

islander
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 13:52:52

The track stops make for a really bad reef. I would go with the mast gate. It will allow the slides to get down closer to the boom If a nice neat reef is important to you. I didn't like the way the sail was out of kilter with the stops. It wasn't smooth and showed a lot of stress/pull lines and looked as if this was a good way to tear a sail so the mast gate was one of the first things I installed on my boat.

Edited by - islander on 09/28/2010 14:05:10

PCP777
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 13:55:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 Congratulations on your purchase and a hearty welcome to the Forum!
You have 2 options, installing a mast gate (fashion yourself or buy from CD), or install a sail slide stop in the track just above the gate (a small cylindrical piece of metal with a thumbwheel nut attached). I do the latter because I cleat the main on the mast, for now, so I have to go up to the mast anyway. The sail stops cost under $10, available from CD, West Marine, Defender.com, your choice.

The image is from defender's web site:

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I have something just like this, and it keeps all my slugs on the mast, didn't cost much either, got it at WM.

It's a good idea to secure a small line to it so it doesn't go over the side when you loosen it or remove it.

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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 15:35:30

Track stops can work, but a gate plate is much better. CD sells them for $45

A little trimming to fit and you'll be set.

Welcome, you'll not find a better resource for experienced/info on C25 than right here.

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kmacken55
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 16:21:02

Thanks for all the quick responses, clearly this is an active forum. Glad I've signed aboard.

Keith

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 17:37:36

Be sure to order the #2350 for a mast with a round sail groove. The #2351 and 2352 are for masts with a flat groove. Look closely at the small print on the Davis track stop pictured above.

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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 19:47:21

If you will be doing sail changes at all regularly and you decide to install the mast gate (which IMHO you should) be sure to have a phillips screwdriver on board at all times, in an accessible location, adn have a few spare screws taped to its handle. I speak from experience.

every regatta we swap from cruising to racing main. I start the season with 8 screws. Right now I am down to 2.

Welcome to teh family. Its a great bunch of guys here.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/28/2010 : 20:32:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 If you will be doing sail changes at all regularly and you decide to install the mast gate (which IMHO you should) be sure to have a phillips screwdriver...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...or a few thumb-screws. (However, we northern non-racers install the plates in the spring and remove them in the fall.)

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 09/29/2010 : 09:47:02

Thumbscrews - great idea. Can anythign get hung up on them? I oughta try it.

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CharF
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Response Posted - 10/03/2010 : 17:24:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by GaryB
 Be sure to order the #2350 for a mast with a round sail groove. The #2351 and 2352 are for masts with a flat groove. Look closely at the small print on the Davis track stop pictured above.
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Thanks for the info. I picked up a Davis#2350 yesterday before my strong wind single-handed sail. One less thing to worry about. :)

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pastmember
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Response Posted - 10/04/2010 : 15:27:23

You will want the gates, get them. I had a friend with a Paceship 23 back in the 80s, it was a fine boat. Your new boat will make you very happy but you moved from a good boat too. To say this is an active forum is a understatement, this is an amazingly active forum. SO much so that on nearly every post you will hear from all kinds of sailors, budget sailors, simple sailors, frightened sailors, hard headed sailors, etc. I am of course none of those, I was the anal OCD sailor, I always had to have the perfect part for the job... get the mast gates.

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Harleyworker
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Response Posted - 10/05/2010 : 05:14:19

I don't have the mast gate, I use the track stops, and they will go overboard if your not careful. In a pinch you can also use a nut and bolt too. Slide the nut into the track and run a short bolt into it.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 10/05/2010 : 05:56:06

Incase you decide to make your own mast plates:

It should only take an hour with hand tools (less if you have a Dremel) and no more than $10 if you have to buy the aluminum.

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Harleyworker
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Response Posted - 10/06/2010 : 09:29:58

Renzo,
nice print, I know one of the projects I'll be doing this winter. That's now on my list, and that list keeps getting longer and longer the closer winter gets here. Always seems like winter is not long enough to complete all the projects, and summer is not long enough to sail as much as I want to.

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Renzo
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Response Posted - 10/06/2010 : 11:06:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harleyworker
 Renzo,
nice print, I know one of the projects I'll be doing this winter. That's now on my list, and that list keeps getting longer and longer the closer winter gets here. Always seems like winter is not long enough to complete all the projects, and summer is not long enough to sail as much as I want to.
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Thanks Harleyworker. I know what you mean about the winter list getting longer, I've still got stuff on the list from 5 years ago and I retired 3 years ago.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 10/06/2010 : 17:48:07

we did similarly to Renzo's diagram (nice one R!)..except we didn't mill a slot - just simply duct taped the finished pieces in place, drilled pilot the holes through the plates and mast, and then used self tapping screws to complete the project...I subsequently ordered the CD mast gates, and they are still sitting here unused 5 years later...

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