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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 10/07/2010 : 21:27:10

I've added photos of the new boat to my facebook. Also of the Ensenada race and the Coronados race.

Plese "friend" me James Baumgart jbaumgart at starrstuff.com

Thats where pictures and stories are going to be from now on.

Boat was good. Half the sruvey done with no real faults. Ran 3 hours San Diego to Mission Bay no engine problems. Hauled out, bottom is better than I thought. I am 99% sure the boat will be mine on Saturday. Then we do bottom prep, compound and polish hull and let the yard paint Monday.

By the way the International Association needs to get on Facebook.

Indiscipline 1978 FK SR #398

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/08/2010 : 07:52:57

Pix look great! But where's the roller-furled, club footed, self-tacking jib?? And the motorized in-mast main?

You'll have her scaring Hobie 33s in no time. What major work items are you planning? Canting keel? (I guess that'd get you re-rated.

) And of course, the cup holders!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/08/2010 : 11:23:52

I think the boat would be a terror with a masthead spin.

Work items:

sand, prep paint bottom
clean prop
replace hose on stuffing box
install battery box, add 2nd battery
change oil
check all sails
replace rope/wire halyards
certain lines led aft
fix traveller (maybe replace)
seriously consider running backstays
seriously consider adding spin winches in the cockpit
replace autopilot
much of the running rigging needs to be replaced
compound and polish hull
there is a diesel leak somewhere, the engine starts and runs fine but the whole boat smells like fuel
forward hatch leaks

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/08/2010 : 22:11:01

OK, I am officially the new owner of the 1983 Pearson Flyer 30 Tango.

Let the work begin!

And the spending.

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Response Posted - 10/09/2010 : 07:31:12

...and the name change? (i.e., with a IV?)

Congratulations! Take us along for the ride (via the Admiralty if nothing else)!

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Response Posted - 10/09/2010 : 17:22:57

WOW -- you did it . . . Awesome! Looking forward to hearing of your continued racing record . . . .

All the best

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/10/2010 : 21:10:04

Its Sunday night and I'm worked to the bone.

Saturday: Sanded entire bottom, removed all old paint. Faired bottom. Compounded and waxed from bootstripe up about 3 feet. Cleaned prop and shaft. Had one helper all day and one of the crew joined us in the afternoon.

Sunday: masked, sanded fairing compound, wiped bottom with Inerlux 216 solvent (with respirator and gloves), painted with inerlux ultra, pulled prop shaft, replaced hose for stuffing box, replaced shaft, repacked stuffing, painted second coat. Compounded and waxed transom and started on starboard hull. Cleaned bilge with bilge cleaner (boat reeks of raw diesel - may be a leak, so far not found). Same helper all day and another of the crew came but just looked and had to leave right away due to family emergency.

Noticed some serious flaws not in survey - windows are not screwed in, they are just held with some silicon. One is popping out, these are under water when heeled.

Monday - plan to get 3rd and final coat of paint, finish hull polish, wait to dry, get launched, and start cleaning up the inside. Also sign slip lease, get boat registered and insured. Insurance is 3x what it was on my C25. Pay yard bill (this is going to hurt even wih us doing all the work).

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Response Posted - 10/11/2010 : 08:22:25

As they say, B.O.A.T. But it sounds like you're having a blast!

BTW, WM says Ultra is "not for sale in California." Hope the state enviro-sleuths don't Google you here!

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Response Posted - 10/11/2010 : 19:02:43

I'm tired and worn out myself! Just reading all the work you did in two days!

When you get done will you come down and do my boat? I'll pay the air fare.

Seriously, what type tools and materials did you use to sand the bottom paint?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/11/2010 : 21:18:24

OK, 3 days of work and I am totally spent. Fresh photos on the facebook site.

Today, painted bottom, compounded and waxed hull deck to waterline, polished prop. Bought materials to fix windows.

Its the best race bottom we could do in 3 days. Check it out, looks great!

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Response Posted - 10/15/2010 : 15:27:00

So Jim... A new name (on Facebook)... Story behind that? (...like a "memorable" night "re-fueling" in Monterey?)

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/15/2010 : 17:08:24

I asked Heidi, my youngest daughter to come up with a name. I wanted Flyer, or Flight, or something like that in it. I wanted it to be funny and not serious, a joke. I wanted to be the only boat around using it. She just looked up and said "Sly McFly". I actually liked it. It is a bar in Monterrey. So I researched it. Read this legend, it is amazing, I love it, and I'm going to win the race Sly never did. "Sly" is going to "Fly" I promise.

Sly Mcfly was the son of Maggie McFly, a madam of a Nob Hill saloon in San Francisco. As a child Sly was a loner and somewhat introverted. At seventeen he left home to drive the racing circuits of Europe.

Sly arrived in England in the early twenties to learn the tricks and dodges of motor racing. He loved the smell of burning rubber, racing petrol, and the checkered flag. He turned down an offer to drive in the States at Indianapolis, feeling a magnetic pull to the circuits of Europe… his goal the French Grand Prix. He drove his favorite car, a tiny 1929 Ulster (previously displayed above the fireplace in the restaurant’s main dining room).

He entered the Le Mans Grand Prix of Endurance, the Belgium Grand Prix, the Italian Grand Prix, and the Grand Prix de L’Overture at Monterey. He even tried the Rheims Circuit but never won a race.

Sly placed second at the Trophy Race in Ulster and ruefully watched the beautiful Isadora Duncan present roses and kisses to the winner. Later, champagne in hand, he vowed to win Isadora’s love, admiration, and a race or two! At Millie Miglia, to avoid hitting several spectators, Sly swerved hard, overturned, and burned. Miraculously, Sly escaped without injury. Seeing this spectacular crash, Isadora flew to his side. Their courtship raced through the country sides of England and France. Tragically, on a peaceful outing one sunny afternoon, Isadora’s scarf became intertwined in the spokes of the Ulster’s left rear wheel. With Isadora gone, Sly would not race for a year.

Sly’s fellow drivers insisted that he race again and he took second at Le Mans. Out of frustration, he started buying the bottles of champagne he couldn’t win. His love for champagne became legendary, but a first place finish eluded him.

Sly’s final race was at Monte Carlo. The car was perfect. He was sober and in lead. On the next to last lap, with checkered flag, champagne, and roses in his sight, he lost control on an oil slick. Sly crashed the guardrails into the Mediterranean Sea. His body was never found, but a monument stands near the spot where his dream of first place ended.

Sly McFly may be gone, but his legend lives on. On occasion, one might walk in to the tavern located on the world renowned Cannery Row, in Monterey, and see a bouquet of roses, a bottle of champagne, and a glass at the end of the bar toasting the victory he still pursues.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/15/2010 : 17:21:10

Breaking news - a leak.

So the sellor told me all the water in the keel well was due to the recent rains. The bilge pump has a manual,off, automatic setting.

After launching, I set the pump to off.

Returning the first evening, the well was full right up to the floor boards. I pumped it out. I figured it was due to the launch. I left the pump on off to make sure.

Returning the second night the well was full again.

So I tore the boat apart looking for the leak. Found it.

There is about a 1/2 hole through the hull with a metal tube extenidng up in the salon for a kelp cutter. This is a 6 foot rod you can push down to get kelp off the keel. It is professionally installed, the tube is not above the waterline. The shaft of the kelp stick fits through a tight fitting and has an o ring. This is not leaking. I am happy to have this add on. At some point I'll acquire a cap for the tube in case of loss of the kelp stick or similar. There is not much water pressure, it is almost above the water line.

Ahead of this is something I've never liked and would never have done. There is about a 4 inch hole bored through the bottom of the hull with a lexan window flush installed to the bottom of the hull. I guess the idea is you can peer through this and see if there is kelp on the keel. There is also one in back at the rudder. However, it doesn't really work. Can't see anything, marine stuff grows on the window. When I had the boat hauled I put marine tex all around the edge of the lexan. I left the screws alone so I could get them out someday. Keep in mind this hull is balsa cored and must be kept dry.

Water is leaking through 1 of the screws for sure and most likely through 2 others. Its not much. About 5 gallons per day. Damn, if he had just told me I would have sealed the whole thing when I had the boat out. Maybe he didn't know if he left the pump on auto all the time. There is lots of staining around the screws. They've been leaking fo a while. This was not caused by my bottom work.

So we are off to try to apply underwater epoxy and replace some of the screws while in the slip.

It appears to me that when the installed the window they removed the coring and built up the area with WEST System or similar.

Also might add I only have liability insurance so far.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 10/15/2010 : 19:31:43

Great story about Sly! A 27-year-old boat is going to have some "surprises", no matter what the seller, buyer, or surveyor thinks they know. Sly is a lucky boat--you'll have her dancing in no time!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/18/2010 : 10:04:29

Well, upon very close examination in the light of day the leak turned out to be coming from the knotmeter. Removing the tranducer, cleaning, reseating the O rings, lubricating them, and reinserting fixed everything. Thank goodness!

Work this weekend:

installed interior white/red halogen lights
changed 1 jib and 2 spinnaker halyards to 10mm VPC
changed traveller lines to 5/16 stayset
cleaned bilge and located a fuel line or two that could be leaking (fixed)
put battery in a box
rebedded one post on the pulpit
removed all sails, opened them in the parking lot, inspected, measured
installed handheld VHF cradle
cleaned forepeak
cleaned interior

Sunday afternoon took the boat out, sailed, made a list of fixes/improvements needed.

Checked out instruments at West marine.

Sails:

2 dacron mains, the old one seems better and I'll swap them this week

2 dacron jibs, a 110% and a 148% in excellent shape.

windfinder in poor shape

2 spinnakers 0.5 oz and 0.75 oz in poor shape

2 155% and 135% mylar laminate jibs in very poor shape

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Response Posted - 10/18/2010 : 15:32:39

Did you know the condition of the sails, or was this an unpleasant surprise?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/19/2010 : 07:35:40

We knew the race sails were toast. We knew the spins were badly worn. They are not all torn and patched but I don't think the nylon liked sitting in a bag for 15 years unused. The windfinder, well, I was disapointed to find it so delaminated. The pleasant surprise was to find the 2nd main was in good shape and the dacron jibs were in good shape.

Got a bid of $7000 for new aramid fiber racing main, 155, 135 and 0.6 oz spin. High end club racing sails (not grand prix sails). Small local guy, sails to be made in China.

I'm about $9000 into the boat so far. Plus about 200 man hours.

Checked out the Garmin line of instruments, can get all the wind data ever needed for about $1200 in NEMA 2000 format. Also includes depth, knotmeter, everything. True and Apparent wind.

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Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 10/26/2010 : 11:21:59

Jim, what engine do you have in Sly McFly (man, it's fun just typin' that!)?

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Response Posted - 10/26/2010 : 18:12:39

Jim, I don't know how shipping would be for you but many boats in our marina had new sails made by Performance sails out of Toronto. You might want to ask them for prices based on what they set up "Tecumseh" with.

This is the other Flyer that was being raced in our club... her future is questionable, owner has changed hobbies after considerable work on the boat: http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-30-Pearson-Flyer-W0QQAdIdZ236886028 The trailer is 2 years old.

Here is a photo of Tecumseh on the war path: http://miatadude.com/sga/Cup2010/Day1/content/DSC_0338_large.html I think there are a half dozen or more of her in the set. In any case her main sail in those shots are the Performance sails I mentioned above. I don't know if the owners of either of these boats would be interested in selling off older sails, but it may be worth a try to contact the Kijiji ad and ask. His sails have one season on them, and he didn't get out much, his are North Sails - also a Toronto loft.

ETA - here is what he flies as a spin, just so he is class legal and has the sail on board... http://miatadude.com/sga/Cup2010/Day1/content/DSC_0655_large.html Looks funny, but he does better when he doesn't bother flying a chute at all.

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Response Posted - 10/26/2010 : 21:12:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Prospector
 ...here is what he flies as a spin, just so he is class legal and has the sail on board... http://miatadude.com/sga/Cup2010/Day1/content/DSC_0655_large.html Looks funny, but he does better when he doesn't bother flying a chute at all.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Class legal?? That little spin doesn't look like it's worth flying... I'm thinking he'd be faster wing-and-wing with the jib. (And he needs a little more vang and less trim on that main.)

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 10/27/2010 : 06:03:17

I think the spinnaker is off a dinghy - not sure. I think he sails te angles, avoiding being wing and wing as much as possible. All I know is that whatever he does works well.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/29/2010 : 12:22:38

Newsline Sly McFly

Update - signed the check today with North Sails. I had a bid all worked out and ready to go wtih Ulman for Fiberpath and North came down and matched their price on 3DL carbon fiber sails.

Here is the new inventory:

North 3DL carbon fiber main with cunningham, outhaul, first reef, insignia, draft stripes, sail numbers, bag. Heavy thread density, rated for 30 knots.

North 3DL carbon fiber medium air 155% genoa with taffeta backing on one side. This is the 3DL carbon fiber one piece sail, taffeta is the white dacron backing that is put on to increase durability. Rated to about 25 knots. Sail numbers, draft stripes, stanchion/spreader patches, sausage bag.

North 700 Airex assymetrical rated for winds up to 25 knots. Sail numbers, turtle bag.

We bought a used (new condition, never flown) Hood 0.6 oz symmetrical spinnaker.

On board we have a #2 and a #3 jib that are dacron and in good condition and 2 delivery dacron mains in good condition. Plus 2 symmetrical spins in servicable but poor condition.

The boat is really coming along. I've replaced all halyards. Jib and spins are 10 mm VPC, main is 11 mm VPC. Traveller has been replaced. Foreguy and topping lift will be replaced with lines taken off of Indiscipline.

We will be running all lines aft.

Installing tack line for asym.

Installing all new electronics (probably going with Garmin).

A million other things. I am working late EVERY night.

First race (with delivery sails) will be 11/13/10.

Big offshore race series starts in January and I'll be on the line with all new race sails, new electronics, and a boat that will surf and should plane. Total cost about $20K.

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Response Posted - 10/29/2010 : 14:33:19

Wow! (I still think I can take ya...

) After you've bent on those new sails, you'll have to get a new signature picture.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/29/2010 : 15:48:43

Hard to believe the sails are worth more than the boat.

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Response Posted - 10/29/2010 : 19:29:52

You can't rationalize costs of stuff for boats. Although, when your hull was new, similar sails (if there was such a thing) would probably cost less than the boat. Old hull: Sails they never imagined back then...

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/29/2010 : 21:11:34

Lets just hope I can sail her to her rating (and beyond).

Tomorrow, Saturday, I am taking her out for the first time, solo. Gotta see if I can handle her.

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