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pwhallon
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Initially Posted - 11/23/2002 : 11:44:23

Cool boats.

P

www.chinaseas.org

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 11:47:55

I just tried the link and it didn't work. The page does exist.

Lets try this.

www.chinaseas.org/" target="_blank">http:www.chinaseas.org/

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 11:50:05

The link didn't work.

Lets try this.

http://www.chinaseas.org/

If this link doesn't work, you can get there through your browser.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 12:01:56

A HUGE Chinese Junk is on the hard and under repair at Norwalk Cove Marina if anyone around here is curious... Quite a sight.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Ellis Bloomfield
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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 13:39:26

Thanks for the tip on the site. I'm in the process of completely rebuilding a Samson 40" ferrocement schooner that is junk rigged. I hauled the 12 ton hunk from Toronto to Minnesota and as with most projects, there is a lot more to do than I had figured. I estimate five years to finish her up. I was going to convert to a clipper but the more I read on junk rigs the more intriguing it gets, so she will remain that way. There is a good photo of a similar size and rig at http://winterthun.net/victor/Photo/20000924_10lr_Samson%20starboard%20side.jpg

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Ellis Bloomfield
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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 13:44:40

Thanks for the tip on the site. I'm in the process of completely rebuilding a Samson 40" ferrocement schooner that is junk rigged. I hauled the 12 ton hunk from Toronto to Minnesota and as with most projects, there is a lot more to do than I had figured. I estimate five years to finish her up. I was going to convert to a cutter but the more I read on junk rigs the more intriguing it gets, so she will remain that way. There is a good photo of a similar size and rig at http://winterthun.net/victor/Photo/20000924_10lr_Samson%20starboard%20side.jpg

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 13:47:27

Hi Ellis,

That is a really cool boat.

I like the unstayed rig.

I saw a documentary the other night featuring an Arab Dhow..I forget the spelling. It was lateen rigged. Kind of like a huge sunfish.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

It too is a unique vessel.

Please share pictures of your project. It sounds like quite a challenge but fun.

Paul

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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 13:59:40

Paul,
I spent a couple of years roaming around East Africa in the mid '60s and saw a number of dhows. They used them to trade spices, etc. and sailed regularly into Zanzibar (later Tanzania). They have a single large sail and the boats have a very small cabin space below the deck. There was a group that was going to sail from Mombasa to NY on one and I tried to get on the crew but was probably lucky I didn't make it, because as I recall they didn't either.
Ellis

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 11/23/2002 : 20:38:38

Hi Ellis,

I'm glad you missed that voyage.

I'll bet your African Journey was great.

I was in Algeria and Morocco in 1974. Although we spent several days in Casablanca and Zanzibar, I didn't get to see any Dhows. I did get to ride a camel.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

That was a very interseting trip.

While in our hired car, we were held, at gunpoint, by the military in Algiers and not permitted to leave until a stroke of luck on my part that got our party released. It's a long story.

Morocco was totally different. They were okay with Americans.

Traveling sure does change ones understanding of the world. Usually for the better.

P

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 11/24/2002 : 11:16:03

Paul: You re-affirmed my decision not to connect through ALgiers on our trip to Mali in January. We'll learn a lot in that trip (visiting our Peace Corps volunteers--daughter and son-in-law). It'll be a whole new perpective on life. But we'll avoid antagonizing the Algerians...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 11/24/2002 : 12:47:29

Hi Dave,

Our trip was in 1974. I don't know what Algeria/USA relations are now.

My mom and I were traveling with our family friend Harry Logan and his son Tom. Harry was in the oil business and was there to negotiate the purchase of crude oil for his refinery "United Refining" in Warren PA. This was during the oil embargo and tensions were high. He said the only reason the Arabs would talk to him was because United was an independedt company and not part of a big conglomerate.

My mother was sick with cancer and only had a few years to live. Harry was gracious enough to invite Mom and I to join him on his world travels. Mom, Dad, brother Eric and I had traveled a lot in Europe but not the middle east. This trip was great for mom's moral.

Our little hostage crisis was pretty scary. I think their actions were designed to scare us more that threaten our lives. They were armed to the teeth and surrounded our car. They wouldn't let us leave the hotel compound. I mean compound too, this place was surounded by armed troops. I think they had AK-47s or some other automatic rifle.

Anyway:

With the current state of world events, I too would avoid some Arab countries.

We had a wonderful time in Morocco. Their hospitality was top notch. We traveled into the mountains and did some bartering with Moroccan tribesmen. We had a great time.

As I recall, Morocco was the first nation to recognize the USA as a sovereign nation after our revolution. I guess it's important to note that not all muslims hate us.

Please be careful on your trip.

Paul

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