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superbob
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Initially Posted - 11/28/2010 : 12:18:57

I've removed both factory installed shrouds and the double backstay from my '99 250 thinking I might put off replacing the headstay until the next pull out in fall of 2012. My hesitancy is all due to the seemingly large task of removing the headstay from the CDI furling jib and installing the new headstay. Frankly, I don't need the hassle.

In light that she's at least 11 if not 12 years of age (as is the rigging) I'm having second thoughts. Replacing the headstay is probably not a bad idea after all. Or, am I all wet in replacing all of the standing rigging on a 1999 250?

Any thoughts or suggestions before I tackle yet another project? I'd certainly appreciate it.

Thanks....Bob

Bob Watson
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bear
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Response Posted - 11/28/2010 : 12:44:49

My '95 250 still has the original standard rigging, inspected every fall when the mast is lowered. In all fairness though the boat has never been in salt air and is covered with a tarp for 6 months. I use a rag on the cable and magnifier on swages. Still have the original main sail also but that sets in a warm dry cellar all winter. If I worry about anything it would be the forestay with the CDI furler. But the attach points look fine.

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Response Posted - 11/28/2010 : 13:01:13

I should have written that she has had saltwater experience. How much I am not certain. As I inspected each of the shrouds attached to a spreader I did see a fair amount of "crust" (which had been hidden by the boots).

Your points are well taken. Thanks.

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 17:03:40

Bob,
I am thinking you have a lot more stress on your forestay than any of the other standing rigging. Also, it would create more danger if it broke than you would probably have with any of the other stays.
Just my $.02!
Willy

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Response Posted - 12/02/2010 : 18:12:44

It's not such a big deal replacing the forestay with the CDI setup. I have removed ours and taken it apart to inspect it.
It's due it's annual inspection before our New Years Eve trip.

Curious: Double backstay! Is it attached to the catbird seats, or do you have saddles on each side at the back of the cockpit? (got a pic of your double backstay setup?)

Paul

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 12/03/2010 : 10:45:55

I assumed he was talking about the standard (for '99s) split backstay.?.?

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Response Posted - 12/03/2010 : 11:26:20

Backstay, a double, is attached to the stern. It's standard for that year 250.

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Response Posted - 12/03/2010 : 15:07:02

Bob, I'm having term confusion. Do you have 2 backstays running from the mastheead to the stern (what i think of as a "double") or a single line that runs from the masthead to a connector overhead in the cockpit with 2 SS lines going to either side of the stern under the catbird seats ("split")?

I'm always learnin'

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Response Posted - 12/03/2010 : 16:32:47

It's a split backstay. .. you probably have the same thing.

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Response Posted - 12/03/2010 : 21:02:43

Thanks. Yep, that's what I have but I'm gong to convert to a single starboard side stay like the new models when it's time to replace the backstay. Makes accessing the swim ladder easier.

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Response Posted - 12/04/2010 : 05:25:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Thanks. Yep, that's what I have but I'm gong to convert to a single starboard side stay like the new models when it's time to replace the backstay. Makes accessing the swim ladder easier.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

John, we're going the other way, we have wheel steering, but it's the stay that gets in the way both at the swim ladder and getting around the wheel on the port side.

My plan is to run double stays from the leading edge of the base of the catbird seats up to the mast head.

That way the stays will be outside of the Bimini. The only thing I have not measured so far is to confirm that the stays will be aft of the boom!!! We're planning on a New Years Weekend sail and I intend to run a temporary line up to the mast head and back down from the proposed attachment points to determine if it's practical.

Another advantage of this concept is that the stays will not penetrate the Bimini and that means we will be able to fold the Bimini back without detaching the backstay! (It also means we will be able to leave the Bimini folded down if we wish.)

Paul

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Response Posted - 12/04/2010 : 08:50:22

I too plan on keeping the split stay but would like to make some provision to adjust its tension without climbing a 10' ladder to reach the turnbuckle. I was thinking that Catalina Direct might have an idea or two on how to accomplish that .. .has anyone here relocated the turnbuckle so that's more accessible?

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Response Posted - 12/04/2010 : 09:34:54

Bob, I don't know what's in your cockpit but I have only the tiller and use a 3 step fold out ladder to adjust the split stay turn buckle, other more agile people have stood on the settee'a to adjust that turnbuckle, but needed that small fold out ladder later to safety up that turnbuckle.

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Response Posted - 12/04/2010 : 09:42:09

I'm only 5'4" tall so I need a ladder for the turnbuckle that's why I want to move it to the attachment point on the stern.

Some time back there was a discussion about the pros and cons of an adjustable backstay on a 250. I think the end result of that was that it wasn't all that helpful but I don't recall the details. That's pretty bad since I think I started the thread when I had an opportunity to get an adjustable setup off a derelict boat at my marina for a song.

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Response Posted - 12/04/2010 : 10:29:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 ...Some time back there was a discussion about the pros and cons of an adjustable backstay on a 250. I think the end result of that was that it wasn't all that helpful but I don't recall the details...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I suspect it's not that useful because the C-250 doesn't have forward and aft lower shrouds. With them (as on the C-25), cranking down the backstay pulls the top of the mast mast against the forward lowers to impart bend, which basically flattens the main. The C-250's swept-back spreaders might help the upper shrouds in conjunction with the backstay to induce some bend, but probably not much. (The C-25's spreaders are not swept.)

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