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Prospector
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Initially Posted - 02/09/2011 :  10:11:55  Show Profile  Visit Prospector's Homepage
So I am in the early noodling stages of trying to figger out how I want to sneak in a liquor/china cabinet onto the bulkhead where the table stows.

I know other folks have already done the noodling and have solutions. A quick search of teh tech tips didn't give what I hoped for.

Can folks post pics of their bulkhead stowage behind the table mods.

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Response Posted - 02/09/2011 :  10:33:30  Show Profile
From the archives, here's one approach that I like, not mine - scroll down to the pics.:
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20830

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Response Posted - 02/09/2011 :  11:04:43  Show Profile  Visit Prospector's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by dmpilc</i>
<br />From the archives, here's one approach that I like, not mine - scroll down to the pics.:
http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20830

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Thanks Dave, I was thinking along the lines of what "tractor john" did there. My thought was to get rid of teh clips though, in favour of tracks. I'll have to see how/if this progresses.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/09/2011 :  17:18:01  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage
This setup, I admit is not for everyone. Details on my website and reason I pursued a suspended table design is in the Section labeled "New Table and Shelves". But the shelves...they can fit behind any table setup.










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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/09/2011 :  17:25:57  Show Profile
Larry, I like your shelving. Were the shelves made using 1x4 lumber, and what are the dimensions of the piece to which the table is attached?

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/09/2011 :  22:29:57  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage
I have the details of the construction on my website but it appears I left off the dimensions of the shelving. It is oak bought from Home Depot and I believe it is 1" x 4" .

The pieces that the table is attached to is 2 - 3"x3"x 16" Oak, also from Home Depot. The 2 pieces of 3"x3" stock are attached to the bulkhead with carriage bolts that pass thru the bulkhead and a 2"x4" stock on the other side of the bulkhead is used to provide some reinforcement and also hides the carriage bolt nuts that are threaded and tightened onto the carriage bolts (bulkhead side- Head area). Two SS hinges attach the tabletop to the outermost 3"x3" stock (bulkhead - Main cabin area).

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Response Posted - 02/09/2011 :  22:48:34  Show Profile  Visit skybird's Homepage
What about shelving about 6" deep with a slot at the bottom which would allow tabletop to slide in and be pinned in place. Additional vertical slot on outside (aft) edge for table storage covering and hiding shelves?

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/10/2011 :  04:49:48  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage
Well, everyone has their priorities. In my case, I had built an extended bunk on the contrarian side (since I oftentimes beat to a different drum). On the port side, most would not build their extended bunk because it is the short seat sandwiched between the bulkhead and the stove area. But when the extended bunk is in place, it extends the bunk past the stove area all the way to the steps and provides sufficient access for legs/feet when sleeping on that side. While the bunk is easily broken down with no fasteners other than 3 drop down carriage bolts that slip into the support legs (the other supports are slotted at the forward and aft end of the bunk), the main advantage of this layout is that there is full access to the cabin and up to the VBerth area. The 2 real drawbacks are access to the drawers under the sink but the bunk has custom-made foam mattress pieces and removing the small foam piece located aft gains access to those drawers. The other drawback is that the bunk is flush with the outer edge of the bulkhead/mast column and that therefore takes up the space where the table support leg would normally be located.

So, the main priority I had was a table design that did not have a support leg in line with the bulkhead/mast column and I always wanted to replace the table to have one that pivoted off of hinges rather than have to deal with that long bulky table top that you had to lift and then position into those metal fasteners on the bulkhead - A terrible design. In regards to the shelving, it was not my main focus or need (for me). The shelving was a secondary priority which I thought was of benefit especially because when sitting at the table, shelving would not interfere with anyone sitting closest to the bulkhead and provides a place to store a book or two, condiments, etc.

In designing the shelving, since I had no real priorities as to what I was going to place on those shelves, I wanted something that did not take away from the aesthetics in the cabin and also did not interfere with the table but complemented it completely. So, I discovered thru trial and error that (again for me), shelving using 1"x4" sides/enclosure allowed the table when folded and stored against the shelving, the table then was exactly flush with the outer edge of the bulkhead/mast column. So, this is why I did not make deeper shelves. I went with a 3 1/2" shelf (the oak is 4" nominal dimension). Then using the 2 - 3"x3" Oak to support the table with hinges attached to the outer stock, the 3"x3" stock provided adequate support for the shelving (shelving sits on it with dowels holding it firmly in place) and table hinges allows the table when folded up to fit flush against the shelving and flush/in-line with the mast column.

Deeper shelves can also be used but the shleving will then stick out further past the mast column...whic is okay. Just not what I was trying to accomplish. By the way, the slotted oak edges above each shelve that serve as guards to keep things from falling off the shelves is kind of unique in that they are not firmly attached. I slotted those edge guards. So, if a water bottle that was full length fitting between the shelves would necessitate first removing the edge guard and that can easily be done by raising one edge of the dge guard and then the edge guard comes out of the slot - The shelving sides are slotted on both sides but only where the edge guards are located. Similarly, the lowest shelf, the edge guard is half-way up. That is in case a chart, book or magazine is to be stored there. the edge guard located half-way up would keep a magazine in place. At least this was the idea with locating the edge guard half way between the bottom shelf and the one above it.

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Prospector
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Response Posted - 02/10/2011 :  07:51:06  Show Profile  Visit Prospector's Homepage
Larry, I think I am going to hybridize all these ideas stealing from many. I like th elook of your shelves, but I want at least one to be deeper - a bookshelf to fit standard paperbacks. Probably up high. This is not a big deal for me, but may add to SWMBO's pleasure.

At table-level, I would like to make a holder of plates and cutlery, and maybe a deck or two of cards. I haven't seen where anyone else has done what I am thinking though.

Down low I need booze stowage. Should be big enough to hold at least a 750ml bottle of Appletons and a bottle of Glenfiddich or similar. A Bottle or two of wine would be a bonus.

If there is space I would like to add in a shelf for cups above the dishes/cutlery. I really likt the charts in front of the compression post in teh post above, I may work in something along those lines.

Desiging this, it is starting to look a little spendy though. Of course I am basing my prices on unplaned rough teak available locally through a wholesaler. And my tool arsenal is somewhat limited. Hmmmm.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 02/10/2011 :  11:00:05  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage
As far as cost, you are right, it can get somewhat pricey. But look at it not as adding cost to your boat but as adding an improvment that you will enjoy having and then also look at it as a sort of hobby and all hobbies cost something. There is a lot of pleasure derived from designing and working on your project and then installing and using it.

If you need at lerast one shelf that is deeper, then you may want to consider making the shelves all uniformly deeper for two reasons. First, when the table is in the stored position, it will then naturally fold up completely in the vertical. Second, the table folding flat helps keep all items on the shelf since the table acts as a closure for all shelves.

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