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superbob
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Initially Posted - 02/22/2011 : 09:22:17

Sold the Yamaha 9.9 last year (don't ask) and need to take the plunge to replace it. Nissan's 2011 9.8, 25" shaft, electric start seems fairly reasonable ($2,245 per on line outboards who also offer free shipping and no tax) as compared to other outboards. The least expensive comparable Honda was $550 more than the Nissan plus tax and shipping.

I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on Nissan's durability/reliability (would you buy one and if not what would you buy) plus experience, if any, you've had dealing with On Line Outboards.

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Bob Watson
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 10:04:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sloop Smitten
 No tax with Online Outboards and they pay the shipping as well...I live in California...
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Just because Online Outboards doesn't charge you sales tax at the time of purchase doesn't mean that the purchase is tax free. You may owe Use Tax on the item if that item is also taxable when bought locally.

From the FAQ's at the California State BOE...

I purchased merchandise over the Internet from a small company in Texas. They shipped the merchandise to me through the U.S. Postal Service and did not charge me California tax. Should I report these purchases?

The same types of items that are subject to sales tax in California are subject to use tax. For example, if your local retail store would charge you sales tax on the same type of merchandise, it would be subject to use tax if purchased over the Internet.

If you are not sure if the merchandise you purchased is subject to sales or use tax, refer to Publication 61, Sales and Use Taxes: Exemptions and Exclusions, which lists the exemptions to sales or use tax. You may also request a copy of Publication 61 by calling the Board's Information Center at 800-400-7115.

If you determine the items you purchased are subject to tax, you may report the use tax due on your California income tax return or on the use tax return in Publication 79B, California Use Tax.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 12:00:26

Yup! On the Connecticut state income tax return, we have to fill in a zero (or other number) for tax due on purchases from outside of the state, where sales tax was not collected, and then (of course) sign the return. Meanwhile, at least 20-some states have begun sharing data on out-of-state transactions by on-line and catalog retailers.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/22/2011 12:01:44

delliottg
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 12:55:41

We bought a 2008 Tohatsu through them and have had zero problems (well that weren't of my own making). I'd rather have the Tohatsu than the Nissan with their stickers on the same thing.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 16:24:56

We have the Nissan 9.8, elec start, 25" shaft and have been very pleased with it. However, if you buy this unit, and anyone who already has it, be sure to periodically check the mounting bracket bolts under the engine. Both of mine worked loose but were captured by the cowling around the shaft.
In the 2004 or 2006 parts manual for the Nissan 9.8, see fig. 17a, it's the 2 bolts numbered #29. It is possible to check them by hand.

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Response Posted - 02/22/2011 : 20:11:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 ...be sure to periodically check the mounting bracket bolts under the engine. Both of mine worked loose but were captured by the cowling around the shaft.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Do they by chance need some lock-washers?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/23/2011 : 15:19:04

The original nuts are the kind with a flange and knurling around it so I think they are supposed to be locking, but obviously weren't.
I recovered both nuts but dropped one trying to get it back on. I replaced that one with the kind that are just slightly out of round and have the built-in plastic lock washer stuff. no problems since. They may have been loose to start with and I just didn't notice.

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superbob
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Response Posted - 02/23/2011 : 15:49:38

Thanks for all of the tips regarding this purchase. Plans are to place the order around 3/12. So until then, speak now or forever hold your peace.

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 02/23/2011 : 17:58:39

I've also had the Tohatsu for 2 years and am very happy with it.
I want to get another 3 gallon tank with the quick release.
The discount that all Assoc. members can take advantage of is worth almost 4 years of membership.

If you are reading this and not a paid member of the Assoc. you are missing good discounts.

I had it delivered to the boat yard and added a new motor mount from Catalina Direct.
Great addition to "Pergrine".

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/23/2011 : 19:49:09

I had mine delivered to my place of work, asked the receiving clerk to call me when it arrived, went out to meet the UPS driver, and slid it from his truck right into the back of my minivan. Set it up at home, then took it out to the lake and, with some friends' help, got it on the boat mount.

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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 00:13:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 Yup! On the Connecticut state income tax return, we have to fill in a zero (or other number) for tax due on purchases from outside of the state, where sales tax was not collected, and then (of course) sign the return. Meanwhile, at least 20-some states have begun sharing data on out-of-state transactions by on-line and catalog retailers.
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Dave, we don't have state income tax (Texas), but most places sales tax is 8.25%. What do you pay in sales tax there?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 16:04:15

The sales tax provisions for most states include a "use tax" provision which is at the same rate as the sales tax. Historically, and as a practical measure, the states have looked for use tax when they conducted a sales tax audit at a business. The use tax would be applied to items the business purchased sales tax free and consumed in the business. For example, item A is purchased for resale, but is also used by the business as a spiff, or customer gift. The items bought for resale are okay, but the items given as gifts by the business are subject to the use tax because they were "consumed" by the business.
With the increase in mail order and internet sales of big ticket items, the states are getting more aggressive on tracking down consumer purchases that might be subject to the use tax. If you buy a $30 jacket on ebay, it's not worth the state's time to track down that sale. However, if the purchase is a $2000 motor, or big ticket electronics item, then it might be worth it. For states that have an individual income tax, it's pretty sneaky to add line to disclose out-of-state purchases and subject that to the state's use tax, especially since you are subject to penalties and possibly prosecution for misstating your income tax return.
We also do not have an income tax on earned income, but we do have a 6% income tax on dividend and certain interest income. Our sales tax, combined state and local, varies a little from county to county and is 9.25% in Nashville/Davidson County.

Edited by - dmpilc on 02/24/2011 16:10:28

britinusa
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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 17:04:43

When we purchased our outboard and dink online, we needed the tags for the dink, had to pay sales tax on both in order to get the tag

I like to think that we are supporting the florida infastructure development

Paul

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 02/24/2011 : 21:18:04

It's the same as with cars & trucks. In order to get the registration and tags, you have to show proof of sales tax paid. If the out-of-state tax paid is less than local, you have to pay the difference when registering the boat.

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ruachwrights
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Response Posted - 02/28/2011 : 08:24:26

The Nissan is an excellent engine. I have a 2007 9.8 long shaft and have had zero problems.

Vern Wright

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Skipper Paul
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Response Posted - 02/28/2011 : 16:43:15

Bought my remote controlled longshaft Tohotsu 9.9 in 2008 from the internet, had it delivered to a local marine shop, picked it up in the box, mounted it and the controls, and have had 0 problems since.

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willy
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Response Posted - 02/28/2011 : 19:46:49

Bob,
I too have the Tohatsu...3 years now with no problems. Being from Delaware, I didn't have a sales tax issue to deal with but I did take the internet price to my local Tohatsu dealer and said, " I found this price on the internet and was wondering whether I should buy it from there or can you match the price. He was happy to and it gave me a relationship (I get him to winterize it) with my dealer instead of somebody a couple of states away. Just something else to think about...
Willy

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/01/2011 : 09:05:11

Two more points:
1. Nissan and Tohatsu are both made by Tohatsu, and you will save a little bit at OnlineOutboards by going with the Tohatsu brand.
2. I used our 5 hp Merc on the C-25 before buying the 9.8 Nissan. The only real problem was the Merc's 20" shaft was too short. Power was fine for getting in and out of the marina and around the lake. If you don't need the extra power of the 9.8, or electric start, read up on and consider the 6 hp Tohatsu/Nissan Sail Pro model, 25" shaft. It comes with an alternator standard for battery charging, although it is a weaker alternator than the one on the 9.8. In addition, it is significantly lighter (59 vs 93 lbs, 1 cyl vs 2 cyl) and costs a lot less. I think it sells for $1,499-$1,555 vs $2,179-$2,245. If the admiral had been willing to go with manual start, I would have bought the 6 hp Sail Pro instead of the 9.8. However, I really love having electric start.

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohatsu-6-hp-MFS6BUL.html

Edited by - dmpilc on 03/01/2011 09:20:31

superbob
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Response Posted - 03/05/2011 : 15:11:01

I'm gonna stick with Nissan's 9.8 electric start but forego the option of an electric tilt. The previous 9.9 OB Yamaha's electric tilt system had problems that I don't want to be faced with again (picture sailing at midnight, wanting to motor back into the marina and not being able to put the prop back in the water . ..& having to get wet to access the manual tilt mechanism . . . while groping in the dark trying to find it). The 9.8 over the 6 hp is needed for sailing SF Bay and Lake Tahoe where a little more muscle is always necessary.

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Response Posted - 03/06/2011 : 10:12:13

superbob
You wont be sorry about the electric 9.8. I got mine two years ago and really like it. Just make sure to get the long shaft model. My previous OB purchased with the boat from a dealer had a short shaft, and the long makes a real big diffence in handling. You would thinka sailboat dealer would know better!

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Response Posted - 03/06/2011 : 10:53:59

(Jay meant to say "extra-long"--the 25" version. No point in going half-way.)

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superbob
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Response Posted - 03/06/2011 : 11:26:18

The last OB was a 25 incher. The next one will definitely be just that. When it comes to outboards mounted on sailboats shaft length does matter.

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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 12:27:52

Last year I bought a new 2010 model Nissan 9.9 x-long shaft that was "old stock" (2011 models were already selling)for around $1800 and love it. I see no quality difference between it and a nice Honda 5 I had on my Potter 19. . . fit and finish comparable in every way. Always starts right up and runs great without a hiccup. I did subsequently buy and install a Garhauer motor hoist, which I highly recommend, since it makes servicing the outboard a snap and also a powertiller. My philosophy was to buy a great used Catalina C250 at a good price (thanks Tom Potter) and then I would have money to really upgrade it well beyond what I could for the price of a new boat. If you'd like to see the motor mount and my other upgrades visit http://seatitude.intuitwebsites.com/

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Response Posted - 03/31/2011 : 12:32:55

I've made plans in the next few weeks to purchase the Nissan 9.8 long (25") shaft and just before I put the boat back in the water. On Line Outboard which advertise the lest expensive price for this model ($2,245 with elect start, free shipping and no tax) also offers a $75 discount to Association members.

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Response Posted - 04/01/2011 : 08:34:22

I have the Tohatsu 9.8, 25" shaft, elec start, with the 4 blade high thrust prop. Our boat easily reaches hull speed at a little over half throttle. The engine start easily, is relatively quiet, and with my short run to open water, I use less than a gallon of fuel per month. I just haven't come up with an easy way to flush it with fresh water.

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Response Posted - 04/01/2011 : 11:44:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by superbob
 I've made plans in the next few weeks to purchase the Nissan 9.8 long (25") shaft and just before I put the boat back in the water. On Line Outboard which advertise the lest expensive price for this model ($2,245 with elect start, free shipping and no tax)...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Remember, Online Outboards doesn't collect the tax, but you still have to pay it.

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