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pfduffy
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Initially Posted - 03/08/2011 : 19:50:43

I know nothing about the seller or sails, but came across this while perusing Craigslist when I should be accomplishing something useful.

http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/boa/2244993524.html

Pat Duffy
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Arlington
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Response Posted - 03/29/2011 : 20:40:11

Can someone please provide a 2nd opinion, to buy or Pass on this? I am new to the C-25, so any insight would be greatly appreciated. A previous C-25 owner has his sails on Craigslist. His Genoa dimensions are: Luff 29'7", Leech 28' 5”, Foot 15' 11”. However, the C 25 Tech Manual has the dimensions of Luff 31' 0", Leach 29' 9", and Foot 16' 10".

His description, Furling 150 Genoa ...new tape and new webbing.......GOOD condition. The sail is in good condition. I had the white UV sewn onto sail as the old one was doing its job and was a sacrificial covering. I also had extra webbing added and seam reinforced. The sail has not been in use since 2005 that is when I lost my boat. I was the second owner and the sails came with my purchase. They do not bear any Mfg. marking to my best recollection. I would need to unpack and spread out to see if one exists.
He says he will take $300, shipping included for the Genoa.

Here are photos of the Genoa
https://picasaweb.google.com/105026550565555766317/20110329?authkey=Gv1sRgCJSUw-fowp2CVg&feat=email#

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 03/30/2011 : 06:40:49

I haven't done the math or checked the specks but it looks more like my 135 than the 150 I used to own.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/03/2011 : 15:52:08

Do you still have the mainsail?

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 04/03/2011 : 18:34:52

I'd second the 135 opinion and where's pics of the main? If both are in good shape I'd say it's a good buy.

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Arlington
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Response Posted - 04/03/2011 : 19:56:45

When I bought my boat in January, both the surveyor and the broker said the genoa 150 that came with the boat was 'blown out' and that sail cloth/UV cover was deteriorated with the bottom line being that I needed another sail. So I was only looking for the genoa. I didn't ask the seller of the sails for photos of the main sail, I will ask though and post what he sends. I would like to get two brand new sails, but the admiral thinks I'm already spending the kid's inheritance.
A fellow sailor at my local yacht club says I should check out http://www.kellyhansonsails.com/apps/webstore/products/category/71989
Another sailor says, fly the genoa until it rips in two, then worry about it.
So as a new swabbie, I'm trying to sort this out.

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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 06:41:04

I sailed blown out sails for 3 years before I updated, and when I updated I first bought a genoa, then the next year a 110, next year the main, etc. This stuff is not cheap! But what i'm saying is that your boat will sail pretty good even with the old stuff but you aren't likely to win races or point fantastically.

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Arlington
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Response Posted - 04/04/2011 : 08:08:34

Thanks for the advice, it is hard to sort out the need to do vs.want to do. Dave, your website is great. I wish I had you looking for another dingy, and when you came back with another boat, motor, oars, gps, car, airplane, season tickets for the Dolphins, but wait there's more...Cool! I like your magnetic drawer lights, makes good sense. Your boat and mine, look like sisters

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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 04/07/2011 : 22:08:26

One of my first inspections of my boat was by myself and a good friend who races big J boats. While it was nice to have a very knowledgable sailor with me, it was at times difficult to get a "good" opinion from him.

He looked over my sails and said "sails are gone".....Now, I don't really know that much about them, and they looked okay to me...clean, stitching good, somewhat crisp....so I asked what was wrong with them....and he said "well, for racing we like our sails to be very crisp....blah blah blah blah...." I said " look man, this isn't a racing boat and I have no interest in racing, just sailing around the lake. Do I need new sails to do that?" His answer "Oh no! These sails will be fine for years for just sailing around."

Thanks Mike...appreciate your help and advice and I'm glad you didn't find anything that would "jump out at me as really bad"....but sorting through some of your opinions was rather difficult.

So...what am I saying here? Try your sails out man...see how they work...if they're not all torn up and can be reasonably shaped....you're probably good to go.

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Arlington
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Response Posted - 04/13/2011 : 19:43:16

Last week we went to lunch at the yacht club, I took my 150 genoa. We laid it out on the grass to see if it was a keeper, or if it was repairable. The 1st opinions from old salts were
1. a little detergent and scrubbing will clean this right up
2. you could get a new piece of canvas sewn in here or there.
3. you could sell it on craig’s list for a $100
4. let us show how to fold it up right.
5. oops it has a tear here
6. look it is tearing there too
7. oh look it is rotted out here and there, well all over the area where it was exposed to the sun, it's like crumbling paper
8. this sail is not good as a tarp
9. not even good for use as a drop cloth
10. there is a dumpster over there, just throw it in the trash.

Looks like I'm getting a new sail. It really helps to explain to the admiral that it fell apart while we were folding it up, no doubt about it, just got to get a new one.

So yesterday I bit the bullet and bought the '135/150' Genoa from Stan the Man in New Jersey He is shipping the sail via Big Brown, UPS, at a cost of $55. Apparently the sail weighs an unbelievable 39 pounds. So...I should get to see what I have bought in a few days

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/27/2011 : 07:08:59

Regarding the luff dimensions of 31'0" vs 29'10": The 31'0" is for a hank-on genoa, not a furled genoa. Remember that you have to subtract for the furling drum, etc.

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Arlington
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Response Posted - 05/07/2011 : 20:52:10

I received the above sail via UPS COD. Two suggestions for anyone considering buying a sail (or any other part) to be shipped to you.
First, try to negotiate that the seller pays shipping or at best that you split the cost. With the above seller at the last minute he decided to ship via a neighborhood private package service that accepts UPS packages, instead of the US Postal Service. These private folks add on their own charges in addition to the regular UPS charges. The difference was about $25. Since I was paying the shipping, the seller isn't necessarily motivated to keep shipping charges at a minimum.
Second with COD from UPS you have to provide the UPS driver a Cashier’s Check or Money Order for the exact amount due made payable to the name of the seller. No check-no package, period. If there is any possibility your package may arrive while you’re gone, leave a note and the check with a neighbor. If you happen to be gone, it is a royal pain to track your package down afterhours and go to the UPS distribution center to pick it up yourself.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 05/08/2011 : 06:48:10

I felt a little mislead the first time I went to a UPS Store . . . bottom line they are franchises that upcharge the UPS basic rate to cover their operating costs.

I drop off all of my shipments at a <b>UPS Customer Center</b>.

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