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pwhallon
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Initially Posted - 12/14/2002 : 13:39:40

Okay,

It's crunch time. Boat show season is only weeks away. I need to catch a boat buyer who's got the boating sizzle.

I don't want to miss anymore nice C-25s when they hit the market. If I don't sell the Marinette then the Sailboat Trailer must go and I'm done looking for a boat to put on it.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

Last year I tried a Broker and they didn't even display my boat at the show. I was so mad. I missed the buying season because of them.

I'm selling it myself this year.

Here is the new ad that is going in the Boat Trader and on the internet. And taped to my back at the show.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

1969 Marinette 28 Express.

All original boat. EC. A truly unique find. All welded Marine Grade Aluminum. Very inexpensive to own and enjoy. Big Cabin and Enclosed head. Appraised for $19,500.00. Winter Boat Show price $16,500.00. Call Paul 770-652-4570

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2cc35b3127cce9294a0dcb63d0000001410" border=0>

Wadda ya think?

Thanks,

Paul

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 12/14/2002 : 21:04:02

I notice you make no mention of power. Is the power a benefit? That is, have the engines been rebuilt, and are they low-time, or a particularly desirable engine? (a GM 350, say). My impression of this boat is that it was quite light for its size, due to aluminum, thence fast and easily driven, also quite low maintenance. The old saw is: sell the sizzle, not the steak, or: parse the benefits. If you can get someone to LOOK at the boat, make sure it is cleran as a whistle, ans starts instantly. Paint the engine room white, and keep it pristine. People really make uptheir mind whether they are to buy in about the first thirty seconds, no matter what they say. Godspeed and good luck, ron srsk Orion 1981 SW FL

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/14/2002 : 21:11:36

Paul, it's hard for me an avowed sailor to comment on your ad. There was nothing in it that grabbed my attention. That may be my sailor coming through. I think I'd want to know about the power plant, ease of handling, speed potential, cruising range, type fuel used, fuel capacity, etc. Without research I'd have to confirm Ron's assessment that most decisions to buy are made very quickly. Appearance is very important - cleanliness and add ons.

I hope she sells for you quickly and you are able to move on. Good luck.

Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Response Posted - 12/14/2002 : 22:06:27

The question that jumps out at me is why welded aluminum is an advantage compared to fiberglass. Then there're the questions about power. Can you quantify the cabin size in terms of sleeping capacity and headroom? Covered bridge for comfort in sun or rain (?)

Good luck! We're pulling for you to come back over from the dark side! <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 12/15/2002 : 10:57:03

Thanks,

Those are great observations.

I'll have them add the engine size. 318 Chrysler.

It's funny about the aluminum construction. Some people are confused by it. The workmanship on the Marinette is so good and fair it actually looks like fiberglass. This isn't jon boat construction either. She's fully ribbed and welded.

The benefits of aluminum are low maintenance and tremendous strength. It won't break like fiberglass and it doesn't absorb water.

All an aluminum hull needs are sacrificial anodes to keep electrolysis from pitting the hull.

Here is a thought...how many 1969 wooden or fiberglass hulls look new?
Very few, if you can find one. There are tons of 1960's Marinettes still chugging along out there because they just dont wear out.

Have you ever seen those fishing boats in Alaska that are all silver? That's unpainted welded aluminum.

In fact if you watch Steve Dashew's video about his first Sundeer 64 you'll see it's unpainted aluiminum as well. In salt water you do need antifouling paint.

Steve Dashew's boats are Aluminum. The production models are fiberglass.

Anyway, I'm rambling again.

Thanks for the help. I'm going to make some changes to the ad.

Paul

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Response Posted - 12/15/2002 : 11:27:53

Great answer to my aluminum question--now if you can distill that into a few words like "unbreakable, impermeable welded aluminum..."

I'm beginning to think.... uhhhhhhhh.... <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> never mind.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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tinob
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Response Posted - 12/15/2002 : 12:17:34

Paulie,

Ya wanna sell it quick ya take a silver or white magic marker and draw a straight line up from the forward part of the cabin and an horizontal line aft, and sell it as a motor sailer. It aughta go quick...wadda ya tink.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 12/15/2002 : 13:19:37

To be honestI think the add lacks a lot of information. The add needs to tell the person who is looking for a boat more about what he is looking at. Words like Lovely and original, Unique find, OK but doest it have the following. 20 gallon holing tank/marine head system, 15 gallon fresh water system with split stainless sink, vanity and deck wash down. Shore power 115 system, and 2 battery DC with self monitoring charging system. Engines are twin IO 540's with 210 hours since major overhaul. Autopilot, deptsounder, knot meter, fish finder. One owner well maintained. This boat shows pride of ownership and shows as a 9. Please contact owner at 456 987-2230 for further details an apointment to view the vessel.
A little more advice. Remove all personal items that are not going to be sold with the boat. Put an air freshener aboard and be sure the boat is clean clean clean. I sold my C-25 in 9 days. I spent the prior month waxing cleaning and removing all my personal gear.

Doug&Ruth
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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 12/15/2002 : 15:03:19

Hi Douglas,

I agree.

But, I am limited to the number of words in the ad. I am going to replace lovely with "EC".

My goal is to spark their curiosity and make the phone ring.

I know that lots of people want cabin style boats. When they see a 28 foot Bayliner for $60,000.00 at the show, my 28' boat will look darn good for $16,500.00.....or less...I'm dealin.

I have removed all the clutter from the boat and she shows very well. No bad smells either.

Val

This is Georgia. The locals would think a motorsailor is Popeye on a gocart.<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

Maybe I should paint her green and write JOHN DEERE on the side.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

OR BETTER YET.....CAMOUFLAGE paint by Mossy oak. And stick a deer stand on the cabin top!

Wow! That's brutal!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>. Be nice Paul!

Seeya

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 12/15/2002 : 21:46:55

I like the idea about camouflage. The Val could buy it and have some peace of mind when puts that sticky thing on it and sails it off Long Island! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Peet
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 11:42:31

Paul,

I have a friend who learned a little lesson when he was selling his 28' powerboat. He was asking what he thought his boat was worth, yet it didn't sell. He couldn't understand why people weren't in line to snatch up his immaculate boat. After three years on the market(and three years of storage, insurance, and maintenance fees) he finally ended up selling the boat, but at a drastically reduced price.

My older brother is a tournament fisherman and you would be amazed at what these guys pay for their tournament boats and gear. Anyway, he tried to sell his boat to get a different brand(due to event sponsorship), but he couldn't get nowhere near what he thought his option ladened boat was worth. People just weren't going to spend big bucks for a used boat when, for a few dollars more, they can have one brand spanking new out of the box. He ended up keeping the boat because he didn't want to take the loss.

What did my friend and my brother learn when they went to sell their boats?

That their boats, as with anything, weren't worth what "they" thought they were worth, but instead, were only worth what someone else was willing to pay for them?

For the right price there IS a right buyer.

Good Luck!

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 13:06:21

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Ya wanna sell it quick ya take a silver or white magic marker and draw a straight line up from the forward part of the cabin and an horizontal line aft, and sell it as a motor sailer. It aughta go quick...wadda ya tink.

...DAGNABIT
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Val, that's not a bad looking little stinkpot, but it'd be one BUTT UGLY sailboat! <img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 13:40:00

Hi Don,

I agree. Markets are what they are at any given time. Currently the market stinks. The market will change after the boat show and be hot until around Memorial Day.

By the way, today it's 62 degrees and sunny. A good boat shopping day.

I've decided not to sweat it. I'm not going to give it away.

If it sells it sells. If not, I guess I'll just have to go goof around on it.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I can always get back to sailing later. And then have 2 cool boats!

Good winds,

Paul,

Oh Dave..not sailboat...motorsailor.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 14:40:18

"Markets are what they are at any given time...I'm not going to give it away..." - Paul

Low market demand, a slow economy, and buying in the off-season is how I came to aquire my C25, North Star, for a song.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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OJ
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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 19:58:12

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Wadda ya think?
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I'm thinking you're gonna have to cut a hole in that roof that goes over the top of your slip to accomodate the mast of that Catalina 25 you're fix'n to buy and how angry the marina owner is gonna be that you did that.

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 20:20:53

Don,

That's how to be a smart buyer. The seller must have been very motivated to unload the boat.

Like my Broker says, being too desperate to buy or sell something is a "disease that'll killya".

One must be willing to walk away from a transaction if it is no good. Buyer or seller. This will always strengthen your position.

If I let my desire to get back to sailing cause me a big loss, then the "disease" has killed me.

If the market comes around, so be it. If not, I'll patiently wait for a better season and still have a nice boat.

I finding it's better to focus on enjoying what I have rather than worrying about what I think I want.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2cc37b3127cce9286398506740000000410" border=0>

Go Bucks and good winds,

P

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 20:31:05

Hi OJ,

Yea, I don't want to make them mad.

They have a bad habit of putting really big chains around the boats of tennants who don't tow the line.

She would make one weird motorsailor eh!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

P

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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 21:34:38

Paul: One way or the other, at least you're on the water--and in a boat that may not be too much unlike what I may opt for in another decade or so when an ignition key and a wheel are all I need to get out there. But we're still pullin' for ya!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/16/2002 : 21:36:35

Paul,

Yes, I agree that patience is the key to getting the best deal. When I bought North Star, I wasn't actively seeking a new boat, just keeping one eye open for anything that came along. After seeing the ad for North Star on the internet for a couple of month's and since it was local, I decided to call to find out what was up with this boat. After a couple of call's and a few inspections she was mine even though my other boat, High Hopes, was still in her slip. I eventually sold her 6 months later. I'm very happy with my C25, but I still peruse the internet daily for my next bigger boat.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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On the hard, 200ft from Lake Erie

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