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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 08:30:02

Usually, all the fenders, anchor, docklines, flares, horns, pfd's, etc. are included with the boat, but everything is subject to negotiation between buyer and seller. The sails are also usually included, but on rare occasion, are not. I'm going to guess that everything will be included, because it's rare that such things are not, but, for future reference, ideally, everything that is included should be listed specifically in the purchase contract. I have seen contracts for buildings that even specifically listed any furniture, lamps, and even silverware that is included in the deal. (e.g., "32 forks, 32 spoons 16 knives, 16 dessert dishes, 16 soup bowls, 40 12 oz. glass tumblers.")

I suspect you're right that the chartplotter probably has a New Jersey chip.

I was up a little earlier than usual this morning, but not as early as it looks. I think the Forum must run on California time, because I did not post at 4:04 a.m. It was more like 7:04. Oddly, now that I'm retired, and don't have to get up early, it's easy for me to get up early.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 12:26:42

Well, I heard from the seller, and it's mine (ours)! OK, now the fun begins.

Steve, I still think it's wise for me to go over the boat again and establish all the stuff that's actually on/comes with the boat, so we'll be better prepared for the trip. Realistically, that means a possible Sunday departure, if they want the boat out ASAP. The forecast for that area isn't that great for a Saturday depature. Sunday and Monday, the winds would be favorable for the trip. Thursday and Friday also look decent, though there will be decidely less wind.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 12:55:04

Congratulations! Now that you've been sucked in, we'll tell you the truth!

Really, you're gonna' love it. I'll send you some info via email to encourage and help you write an article. I'm always looking for fodder for the magazine.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 12:56:24

Congratulations! You are in for a great adventure. Remember, there's no such thing as a dumb question, and we'll all help you as much as we can. Have a fun uneventful trip! Before you take off, be sure and have the seller show you how to work the seacocks, under the icebox in the galley and under the V-berth forward. Make sure they turn easily. BTW, seacocks open and close the drain hoses in those areas. While under sail and away from the boat, they should be closed.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 13:24:18

DavidP, thanks for the pointer!

Dave, be careful what you wish for. As you can probably tell from the length of my posts, I can be a bit verbose.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 14:58:18

Saturday looks like rain. Sunday and Monday look better.

I have a Maptech chart book for the area.

Better bring a warm sleeping bag. It looks like nights will be cold.

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Frank Law
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 16:51:34

Jim regarding your trip there are marinas in the Beach Haven area , but after that you have to get into Atlantic City at the Farley State marina or other AC marina. I think it would be better to leave earlier like 7 or 8 am and not have to Panic at the end of the day.. DO the Buoys change in the ICW . Red right/red left???

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 19:08:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Frank Law
 DO the Buoys change in the ICW . Red right/red left???<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">The ICW follows the "Red Right Returning" rule, and "returning" along the east coast is southward. Another way to think of it is red is on the mainland side, and green is on the sea side. So you'll keep the red buoys to starboard. (Inlets and harbor colors are based on inward and outward--Red Right Returning.)

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 19:32:34

Thanks Dave!

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 09/29/2011 : 19:53:03

Let me just add, because it might be unclear whether you're following ICW or some other convention anywhere in the NJ bays, your chart is the final authority. The definition of "Returning" creates confusion in many areas, including around my home port. The issue is often, "Returning to where?" When you look at the numbering of buoys on the chart, they increase in the "returning" direction, so that's a clue.

Even simple coastwise navigation is a skill worth developing in a course some day. A good mariner never stops learning the rules, conventions, marks, lights, signals, etc., etc., etc.

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JohnP
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 11:40:42

You might consider printing out 2 [url="http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/AtlanticCoastBookletCharts.htm"]booklet charts [/url]for free from NOAA:

Chart No. 12324, Intracoastal Waterway Sandy Hook to Little Egg Harbor
Chart No. 12316, Intracoastal Waterway Little Egg Harbor to Cape May;Atlantic City

You could choose to print only those 8 1/2" x 11" pages from each chart that make up this trip and put them in plastic sheet protectors in a 3-ring binder or just staple them into a stack.

The weather looks ok for motoring southward this weekend, and it might be fine for a beam reach along the coast past Atlantic City, if you can reduce sail sufficiently. If the main can't be reefed or double reefed, you couldn't sail. You'd need a roller-furling pulled in nearly all the way or a storm jib for this, too. My boat settles down with reefed main and storm jib in 25 knots. (But you have to realize that I also replaced my old cracked rudder after it broke in half sailing in 25-30 knots one day.) Your equipment needs to be in good shape to sail in 15-20 knots of wind, as is predicted for Saturday. Sunday looks worse.

COASTAL WATERS FROM LITTLE EGG INLET TO GREAT EGG INLET NJ OUT
20 NM-
COASTAL WATERS FROM GREAT EGG INLET TO CAPE MAY NJ OUT 20 NM-
COASTAL WATERS FROM CAPE MAY NJ TO CAPE HENLOPEN DE OUT 20 NM-
COASTAL WATERS FROM CAPE HENLOPEN TO FENWICK ISLAND DE OUT 20 NM-
352 AM EDT FRI SEP 30 2011

TODAY
SW WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SEAS 3 TO 5 FT. A SLIGHT CHANCE OF
SHOWERS LATE. VSBY 1 TO 3 NM LATE.

TONIGHT
W WINDS 5 TO 10 KT...BECOMING NW WITH GUSTS UP TO
20 KT AFTER MIDNIGHT. SEAS 3 TO 5 FT. A CHANCE OF SHOWERS. VSBY
1 NM OR LESS.

SAT
W WINDS 10 TO 15 KT...INCREASING TO 15 TO 20 KT IN THE
AFTERNOON. SEAS 3 TO 5 FT. A CHANCE OF SHOWERS. VSBY 1 TO 3 NM IN
THE MORNING.

SAT NIGHT
W WINDS AROUND 20 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 KT. SEAS
4 TO 6 FT.

SUN
NW WINDS 15 TO 20 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 25 KT. SEAS 4 TO
6 FT.

SUN NIGHT
NW WINDS 15 TO 20 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 25 KT. SEAS
3 TO 5 FT.

MON
NW WINDS 15 TO 20 KT...DIMINISHING TO 10 TO 15 KT AFTER
MIDNIGHT. SEAS 3 TO 5 FT...SUBSIDING TO 2 TO 3 FT AFTER MIDNIGHT.

TUE
W WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SEAS 2 TO 4 FT.


West or northwest winds of 15-20 with seas out on the ocean of 3-6 feet. Not good weather for sailing a new boat on the ocean! It would be impossible to motor northward in this, but it might be possible to sail comfortably outside of the ICW with reefed or doubly reefed main and a little jib of some sort.

You and Steve would enjoy that trip, I'm sure. Much better to sail along with 3-6 foot waves than to motor.

You would be running along with the possible 3-6 foot chop when leaving the Great Bay at Little Egg Inlet. Then you could have a pleasant beam reach past Atlantic City to Ocean City where you'd be motoring upwind when entering Great Egg Harbor at Ocean City. If I didn't know about it, I'd try to get local knowledge about that harbor entrance from a marina there or from some other source, like the Coast Guard, just to be safe.

I would do it in one day motoring out just before dawn. And if I were doing this trip alone in my boat, which I know can handle those conditions, I'd wait for another weekend with less wind and waves so that I could relax a bit and have more fun.

Happy sailing!

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 11:43:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave5041
 . . . Now that you've been sucked in, we'll tell you the truth. . . !<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 11:59:44

JohnP, I was actually thinking the same thing. Thank you for the feedback! The weather seems to be taking a turn for the worse, so I think I'll be better off holding off. I don't want anything TOO exciting for Steve!

We go tomorrow to actually take "ownership" of the boat, but the dock owner said we could keep her there short term. I promised to have her out by next Friday. In the interim, I'm working two contingency plans:
1) buying a trailer;
2) motoring her to a marina in that area and having them winter store her for me, thus giving me more of a weather cushion in the spring.

I'd still REALLY prefer to have her in Ocean City, but if that's not feasible, then that's fine. So, now that I have a firm commitment from the owner, I can give you some more details (sorry, was afraid someone would do a search and find my thread!). The boat is in Toms River, NJ, and as stated, the destination is Ocean City, NJ. A stop-over in Beach Haven makes a lot of sense to me. I agree, the trip COULD be made in a day, but a 2 day trip seems more prudent, especially as the days get shorter. Hmmm...I'll have to figure out how to insert some pictures in here, so y'all can see her.

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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 12:25:57

OK, here are three pictures. Hopefully they aren't too big! More pictures can be seen here http://s1002.photobucket.com/albums/af147/jgoepel/New%20to%20us%20Boat%20-%201984%20Catalina%2025%20Swing%20Keel/.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 12:33:03

Nice find! Very nice!

Safe journey!

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:00:29

Jim, it's up to you, of course, but if you want to get the boat to Ocean City, we can certainly do it. The predicted weather would make going outside inadvisable, but those winds are not bad at all for motoring on the ICW. It's always more fun to sail, but, if the objective is to transport the boat to your home waters, we can do it. The conditions in the spring will not really be significantly better than now. It will probably still be cold, blustery and rainy, and you might have to find someone else to help you move it, because I don't usually get back to this area in the spring until mid to late April, because it's too cold to sleep comfortably on the boat for any prolonged time. As I said, it's entirely up to you, but if I were you, I'd get it to your home waters while you have the opportunity, and with ready, willing and able crew. I wouldn't wait to tackle that problem until spring. After the boat is situated where you want it to be, the pressure is off, and you'll have all winter to look for a trailer, or to do whatever else you want to do.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:04:22

Thanks Steve. I'll send you a private message with my telephone number. Would you mind calling me later or tomorrow? We can talk in more detail that way. Or, if you don't mind sending me your number, that would be fine too.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:11:20

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimGo
 Thanks Steve. I'll send you a private message with my telephone number. Would you mind calling me later or tomorrow? We can talk in more detail that way. Or, if you don't mind sending me your number, that would be fine too.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Email me your phone number and let me know what would be a good time to call. My cellphone died suddenly a couple of days ago, and I probably won't replace it until I go home to Ohio in 2-3 weeks. I can call you using my marina's landline.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 18:33:09

Nice looking boat, Jim! I've got the same interior layout and infamous plaid fabric! Exterior looks very good, too. you've got a boat to be proud of.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 09/30/2011 : 18:38:09

Steve,
My E-mail went out about 3 minutes after I posted my last comment. Did you get it?

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/01/2011 : 04:20:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimGo
 Steve,
My E-mail went out about 3 minutes after I posted my last comment. Did you get it?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I didn't get your email. Sometimes private messages sent through this website don't go through for some reason. If you send me an ordinary email to sailorman6 at netzero dot net, it should get to me.

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JimGo
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Response Posted - 10/01/2011 : 04:42:26

Steve, the message is on its way.

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Steve Milby
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JimGo
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Response Posted - 10/01/2011 : 18:52:11

Wow, what a long day! Well, she's ours! In chatting with the owner, his strong suggestions was NOT to sail her down the bay and to Ocean City. He said the engine should be fine for 20-30 minutes at a stretch, but it's older and they have never pushed it beyond that. I'm inclined to trust him, so I think I'll redouble my efforts to find a trailer and, if that doesn't happen soon enough, move her to a marina in that area. I can then continue to look for a trailer, or find/buy a new engine.

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Response Posted - 10/01/2011 : 20:27:12

Congratulations! Welcome to the club!

What year model is your motor? Outwardly it looks like it's good condition. Technically, if it will run 20-30 minutes it should run indefinitely as long as it gets fuel, oil, and cooling water.

It probably would not hurt to take it out a few times in the local area and get used to the boat and its idiosyncrasies before heading out over the horizon.

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