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GaryB
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Response Posted - 01/03/2012 : 19:08:29

You can buy my '89 SR/WK with a head and a trailer for $12.5K today. It has a brand new Harken Mark IV roller furler with a 150 genoa in good condition. The main is old but in good condition. I have 110% and 150% hank-on sails also. Cushion are in like new condition and have been stored at home inside since I bought the boat 4 years ago until a couple of weeks ago where they promptly got wet along one edge (3 or 4 inches only) after a pipe rusted through the other night (see my other post on this issue). So far there is no staining and no mold and doubt there will be as I dried them out right away.

Motor is an '89 2-cycle Suzuki that starts on the 3rd or 4th pull and runs reliably.

Just bring cash!

Edited by - GaryB on 01/03/2012 19:12:02

Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:01:46

Gary, thanks for the offer. A little too far and a little to much compared to the rest of the boats available.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:15:20

An 89 with a trailer typically goes for at least $10k+++ depending on the condition and added accessories. You do know about all the upgrades of the 1987+ models right?

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Ape-X
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Response Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:34:48

What were the '89 improvements?

What year did the 250 appear then? We enjoy our C25, fin keel and am intrigued by the demand for swing keels. With maintenance and pointing ability, the fin is ideal for ME

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 01/05/2012 : 09:37:55

The fin is always the best for performance, but the swing and wing are great for shallow draft and launching. If you don't plan on racing, then I don't see the need for a fin.

I can't remember all the improvements to the later models, but some are:
Stainless hardware upgrades
Window trim removed
More cabin headroom with the floor modification
Front plexi hatch
Dedicated fuel locker
Balanced rudder
Anchor locker I believe was modified
Whale eyes removed. Light mounted to pulpit.
Keelbolts!
Keel encapsulation improvement (someone elaborate?)

Edited by - NautiC25 on 01/05/2012 09:42:31

Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/05/2012 : 11:26:45

I am a swing keel guy for launching and "low-tide" on lake murray in the winter. We loose about 6-8 feet of water each winter. The tide comes back in in April after the rains. :-)
On the price-right now a lot of boats are selling below what they did because of hard economic times.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 01/05/2012 : 15:47:49

The whale eyes were eliminated in 83 IIRC and the transom scuppers were added.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 01/05/2012 : 19:44:51

Mine is a wing keel and only draws 2' 10". If a 20' powerboat with a sterndrive goes thru a low area without hitting I know I can make it too.

Galveston Bay averages 8' and Clear Lake averages 4 - 5; and I can sail comfortably in both without worry. If it's blowin in the bay I stay in the lake and have a ball.

The wing draws only a few more inches than a swing keel that is retracted so trailering is the same.

You also don't have any of the maintenance issues of the swing with the wing.

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 02:39:05

Gary, I do like the wing-your depth. I noticed the new ones have 3-5 draft. Why the change?

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islander
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 07:33:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Mine is a wing keel and only draws 2' 10".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">You also don't have any of the maintenance issues of the swing with the wing.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

These were some of the primary reasons I targeted a wing when I was looking for my boat, Also It had to be an 87 or later due to the fact that most if not all of the upgrades/fixes were done by then. ( keel bolts, spreader sockets, better window design, gas locker etc.) Just to name a few. Oh and lets not forget the beautiful plaid cushion covers. I want to know just who was responsible for them...yuck

Edited by - islander on 01/06/2012 07:50:28

Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 08:15:03

Even in a bad economy, $12.5 for an '89 winger with trailer in great shape is a fair price.

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 08:38:14

I agree with both the above posts (price and plaid cushions! lol)

Also think about the coating of the swing keel. Having to raise and lower it to get coats on it. Then trying to get paint up in the pocket.

FYI, the rudder is deeper than the wing. I've dragged my rudder before the wing keel.

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 12:13:18

Thanks again for all the great input!

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DaveR
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 12:15:19

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Even in a bad economy, $12.5 for an '89 winger with trailer in great shape is a fair price. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I paid $10200 for my 89 wing without a trailer in 06 and don't feel bad at all about it

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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 12:29:33

Paid $8200 for my 89 wing without trailer in 06/09.

Look at this page. It shows past listing for 89's and their prices: http://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats99catalina251989.html

Edited by - NautiC25 on 01/06/2012 12:32:19

JimGo
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Response Posted - 01/06/2012 : 13:42:06

I'll second a lot of the comments on the swing/wing comparison. If you don't NEED the extra 6" or so of clearance that the swing provides, the wing is a great option. In my case, the 'Jersey shore can be pretty shallow, so those extra 6" were important to me. If the average depths of most of my waters was 3+' at low tide, I would have gone with the wing instead. The peace of mind of not having to worry about keel bolts, winches, cables, etc. would have been very nice! And, to be honest, in hindsight, the wing keel would probably be worth a premium price to me (add easily $500-$1000, and possibly more) because of the reduced maintenance associated with it.

Maybe, for my next boat, I'll look at one of those with the mechanically retractable daggerboards (I'm probably too cheap to actually buy one, but it's fun to think about!).

Edited by - JimGo on 01/06/2012 13:44:20

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 01/07/2012 : 10:44:29

One advantage to the swing keel with a 5' draft when down is that it hangs deeper than the rudder, so the keel will touch bottom first! Draft with keel up is 2'8", wing keel only 2" deeper.

Sam, a buddy at our marina told me yesterday he has a new marine head that he'll practically give me if you want to buy my boat and do the conversion. Personally, I prefer the electric flush porta-potti with 5 gal waste tank he has on his O'Day 28.
We were hanging out on his boat after sailing yesterday on another guy's ODay 222, sweet boat. BTW, winds were 10-12, blue sky, and temps in the high 50's. Glorious!

Edited by - dmpilc on 01/07/2012 10:53:41

Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/07/2012 : 16:55:29

Agree on the warm weather!!!! In savannan today 70+ a few boats moving on the intercoastal
lots of smiles

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/07/2012 : 17:10:15

I also looked at the sailing texas link and the wings sold were great and sold for 7 or 8 K.

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