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redviking
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Initially Posted - 01/31/2012 : 06:50:48

SO, I passed, now we'll just have to see what the Coasties think I can drive. I definately will get the 50 ton, but I do have some time on bigger boats, so I might qualify for a 100, will have to wait and see.

The class was so simple, if you have an OUPV, go back. The towing endorsement was silly stupid, and the Masters stuff was basically survival stuff with some info on big ship stuff I will never see.

Amazingly enough, I had the same instructor as I had for my OUPV. He didn't like me the first time and pulled me aside and said that he knew I knew more than anyone else in the class and would I mind chilling out a bit? This time, he said he wanted to talk to me on the second day, so I arrived early for my ass whooping... "Sten, you ask too many questions." WTF? I am in a classroom environment designed to educate mariners to be capable of taking paying souls out in a potentially dangerous environment - AND I ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS?

But I know that the fact I got into trouble will not come as a surprise to most of you guys... LMAOROLF....

DPO '82 C25 - #3220 - Zephyr
'73 C&C 39 - S/V Lysistrata - St. Petersburg FL - Until the cruising kitty recovers

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 08:27:24

Congrats! Did you get into an argument over anchors?

It seems to me they don't require much to get the 100--I think all the Masters I've known have it. After all, the OUPV is for up to 100 tons (uninspected).

I don't have the "near coastal" sea time for the Masters. Virtually all of my time was in Long Island Sound and Block Island Sound--inside the "boundary like" between Block Island and Montauk Point--I guess the Coasties don't consider that "real water." Anyway, I only have the OUPV to take people on tours of the Mystic River, and they ran me through a medical wringer to get it. I'm done.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 08:41:33

Sweet.. and thank you for helping us.. Such a joy to hear from someone with so much experience. Any hoo.. teacher has their ways... be done with it and move on.

Sten gives me a belly laugh everytime!

really kids...

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 12:07:08

I finished my classes and test last fall. Due for renewal in August so I am getting in some days and will send the paperwork in late spring

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TCurran
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 12:19:26

Congrats...how much time did you record over 50?

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 16:49:37

Like most I have plenty of days but need some more outside!

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waterbaby
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Response Posted - 01/31/2012 : 21:07:06

Ok, I'm lost - I thought I knew what you were talking about but then you said driving??? Help a newbie out. :)

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 06:05:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TCurran
 Congrats...how much time did you record over 50?
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72 days... Not sure if that is enough... doesn't matter, a 50 ton ticket will suffice for most of what I may want to do with it...

And uh, waterbaby, like most sailors, the wind is always on the nose and so yeah, I seem to drive a lot...

sten

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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 07:48:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redviking
 ...like most sailors, the wind is always on the nose and so yeah, I seem to drive a lot...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...s l o w l y.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 08:36:12

Randy says it best: We can't adjust the wind but, we can adjust our sails. If the wind's on the nose go someplace else.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 08:42:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by John Russell
 Randy says it best: We can't adjust the wind but, we can adjust our sails. If the wind's on the nose go someplace else.

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Unless you are thirsty and hoping to drop a hook near a bar somewhere....

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 09:13:45

Waterbaby (Karen)
the fifty relates to the tonage of the boat not the speed (if I read your question right?)
and outside is ocean side of the coregs (the line of the chart that sets "offshore")
does that help ?

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 09:31:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sam001
 ...the fifty relates to the tonage of the boat not the speed (if I read your question right?)...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...and to further complicate things, that doesn't mean a boat that weighs 50 tons.

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 16:18:49

and we could go into the formula but as Dave says..that is another story,
as in all things sailing, it had to do with rum...

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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 18:01:47

As helpful as you are all trying to be - I'm even more lost. My best guess is that you are talking about towing a boat. Am I anywhere near the topic at hand? BTW - Redviking - whatever it is that you have passed, Congradulations!

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 19:17:48

leave the land of the lost! this is more than you want to know :-)

The coast guard license for captains starts with an operator of uninspected passenger vessels OUVP --called a six-pac-- The OUPV license comes in 3 versions: Inland, Great Lakes and Near Coastal.

The Near Coastal enables one to travel up to 100 miles offshore.

then it moves up to The Master, 100 Ton License allows the licensee to operate Coast Guard inspected vessels of up to 100GT, granted in 50GT increments. This is a version of the 6-pack license that allows more than 6 paying customers on board.

In order to qualify for a Master, 100 Ton license, one must demonstrate at least 720 days of service (90 within the past 3 years) on any vessel. There are two different variables in this license; tonnage and distance offshore.

Tonnage granted is determined by the tonnage of the vessels in which the applicant's sea time is declared.

Distance offshore is one of five possibilities with only four available for Charter Boat level Credentials:
Rivers - No special requirements beyond the standard 360 days.
Inland - No special requirements beyond the standard 360 days.
Great Lakes and Inland - For this sublicense, 90 of the 360 days declared must be on Great Lakes waters.
Near Coastal - For this sublicense, one must demonstrate the standard 360 days, but also at least 360 additional days in near-coastal or ocean waters.
Oceans - This endorsement is not available for Charter Boat level Credentials. Mariners wishing to operate vessels beyond the restrictions of a near coastal license must meet the requirements for the 200 ton license.

Hope this help you leave the lost category!

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 19:18:50

I will also be up in your area looking at a Cat 25 in Greenville NC if you are close and want to get coffee and talk sailing.....

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Response Posted - 02/01/2012 : 21:43:17

One slight clarification on Capt. Sam's explanation of the OUPV license: It allows a person to legally operate a vessel with up to six paying passengers--thus the unofficial term "Six-Pack." I am required to have one to drive a tour launch for the Mystic Seaport--it's on a volunteer basis, but the passengers pay for the rides, and furthermore, the Seaport's insurers require the license.

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waterbaby
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 02:44:31

Thank you Sam and Dave. I thought at first the topic was the captains license but the driving and weight references confused me. I guess I never associated the word 'driving' with a boat, but now that I think about it I can see why you'd call it that. Hey I'm driving my boat! Well it still seems a little strange but Ok I get it now.

Sam, if you're coming to Greenville you need to go just a little further east (about 30 min) and stop in Washington. It's a small riverfront town with lots of sail boats. I'll be there next weekend and I'd love to visit with you. You can even come check out my boat and give me any tips you might have on some of the repairs I still need to make. I've still got the sails off her though and no gas tank down there so we can't really take her out which is a shame.

BTW - what's the name of the boat you're looking at? It's not 'Bobbin' is it?

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 04:19:02

I will send you a note direct. Lets plan on getting together in Washington. I will be in Fri night and out on Sat.

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 04:46:55

Follow up-I will be at the Hampton Inn in Washington

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 06:27:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by waterbaby
 As helpful as you are all trying to be - I'm even more lost. My best guess is that you are talking about towing a boat. Am I anywhere near the topic at hand? BTW - Redviking - whatever it is that you have passed, Congradulations!
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Sorry to have not been more clear.... Basically, I passed a test wherein I can apply to the Coasties for a license to drive, steer, sail, whatever, a boat for which the cargo capacity is either 50 or a 100 tons... As noted above, not the weight of the vessel, just how much of a payload it is documented able to carry.

I am going to start a business - part time - wherein I provide burial at sea services and while the OUPV would suffice on my vessel, 'cuz 6 would be a crowd, I may opt to drive dive boats, dolphin cruises and the like if I wish in addition to my new venture.

A young buck who lived on a Cat 28 died in a motorcycle accident last spring and I officiated his service and led a 6 vessel flotilla carrying 80 some passengers three miles off and we deposited his salt urn in the middle of a biodegradable wreath. T'was a nice way to say goodbye and I decided that the options available to the grieving were not plentiful... So tragedy became inspiration...

I also have and hope to continue to deliver rich peoples boats. So a Captain's license is kinda a requirement for most insurance purposes etc... Yacht brokers here in Florida routinely sell boats that are destined to be in the islands, the Med, or the Cheesypeake... So, we'll see. I'm sure I make more $ doing corporate stuff, but my passion is a life at sea.

Not to further confuse you, but the US Captains License is pretty much useless outside of the US. What I really need is the Royal Yachting Association Yachtmasters license... 'Tis what all the big boys carry...

But I probably should have labled this as Off Topic, except that some of the offshore time I am claiming was on a C25...

Does that count?

sten

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 08:08:52

Any vessel you take outside the coreg line counts--even 100 yards beyond it.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 09:57:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sam001
 Any vessel you take outside the coreg line counts--even 100 yards beyond it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...for at least four hours to count as a day. Too bad the line is 20+ miles from me--I spend lots of time just inside of it.

Oh, and Karen... The term "driver" and "drive" are used casually among race crews as well as cruisers for taking the helm. Then there's my current boat, where it makes even more sense.

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waterbaby
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 19:44:39

Sten, how wonderful! That sounds like a really meaningful way to earn a living, and how exciting it must be for you to be starting a new adventure. I wish I could shake free of my chains and do something that makes me happy while I do it. I have a great job that a lot of people would really envy, but I spend an awful lot of time trying to figure out how I can walk away from it.

Thanks for explaining everything. And double the 'Congrats'!

Sam - great! I didn't expect that you'd stay in Washington, but it's really nicer that Greenville. Not to say Greenville is a bad place, but it's a college town vs Washington is a laid back boat haven. I'm not going to be there till sometime late tomorrow night though. Hubby and I usually get in at around 9pm or so. There's a couple of greasy spoon type resturants that serve breakfast but really the best place to get a good start to the day is Golden Corral. Perhaps we can meet there for breakfast? For Friday night - Franks Pizza is really pretty special, there's a Mayflower seafood resturant that's just ok. 'Down on Main' serves the best general fare including some seafood. You'll be just down the street from my favorite hang out - West Marine.

Looking forward to meeting you!

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Sam001
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Response Posted - 02/02/2012 : 20:13:02

sounds good I will be in about 8 depending on traffic

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