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Prospector
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Initially Posted - 06/07/2012 : 08:06:18

So I asked our local riggers for a quote to replace the rig on Iris, and sent them the listing from CD as a comparison for a price point.

Final outcome - local rigger - $740 plus tax, no shipping, installed. Catalina Direct $539 plus shipping & duties.

Hmmm. Is installation and inspection worth $200 to me? If they inspect, the riggers may be able to save me the $200 in bits not needed. I'm thinking I'll pay the locals to come out for an inspection, and then decide.

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Response Posted - 06/07/2012 : 08:30:34

Is there anything else that you want to do while the mast is down, or are you only replacing the standing rigging?

If you can round up a couple of friends to help then doing it yourself shouldn't take too long and you'll learn more about the boat. I've replaced portions (really just turnbuckles) of my standing rigging and inspected the rest when my mast was down recently. I'll do the rest next year.

I expect that I can get the rigging made up at my local boat store for less than what CD is charging. I don't find their prices especially good, they are just easy to use and the kits make life easy. However all of the dimensions for your standing rigging are easy to find in the manual.

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Response Posted - 06/07/2012 : 08:36:49

I can inspect on my own - for meathooks and kinks, but I really don't know what I would be looking for in terms of galvanic corrosion - or whatever its called when the stainless lets go from the inside out.

I suspect I will need new lowers and T-bolts and possibly new shrouds, but that the forestay/backstay will be fine as will the turnbuckles. If I can give my business to the local shop I will since they have been a great support to clubs I am part of, but if not, then CD is often my go-to for second choice.

As for bringing the mast down - its a non-issue. For one, we do it regularly enough that its not an event, and for seconds, the new club has a crane which simplifies things beyond the usual simplicity. Up and down like whore's drawers as they say...

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Response Posted - 06/07/2012 : 09:06:00

My understanding is that the riggers will inspect the support plates/chainplates and upper mast supports. They will recommend if any need replacement. That is my only real hesitation besides lowering the mast to have a rigger inspect and work the changeout. Their trained eye is probably a lot better than my one time inspection even though I consider myself pretty good at conducting inspections. My "eye opener' was when I had the blister repair job done this past winter and how many blisters I thought I had vs how many more they immediately spotted or felt and then (not so immediately repaired due to unrelated marina issues that had to be first attended to before they worked full time and completed the effort).

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Response Posted - 06/07/2012 : 09:30:59

The folks at The rigging Shoppe continue to impress me.

I just spoke with the owner, and her suggestion is that I drop the mast and bring the rig into the shop. Her crew will rebuild it, replacing only what needs replacing. This saves a trip to the club, and a handfull of dollars for me, as well as saving a handful of parts.

After the rig is rebuilt, they will come to the boat to re-install, and while there they will inspect teh attachment points (which I am fairly confident are fine) and let me know if they see any problems. I will raise the mast and tune the rig on my own.

And she didn't realize that the CD price didn't include the backstay - with the backstay included there is only $50 difference - less than duties at the border. And the rigging shoppe price was for the full rig, installation extra.

I've booked my rig for rebuilding on June 21. We move a week later.

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Response Posted - 06/07/2012 : 16:00:57

I would seriously replace the forstay. Its the one that takes most of the beating and is usually the one that lets go as far as I have seen.

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Response Posted - 06/07/2012 : 17:06:15

We'll see what they say Scott. When I was talking to Carolyn (owner) she began explaining the inspection process and when she got to the part where she was describing how to tell if the threads on a stud were stretched as opposed to bent or eroded, I told her she might as well be the one to take a look. Our forestay is the only bronze turnbuckle on the boat. It kindof adds character.

She also described inspecting the swages, and mentioned that they begin to twist somewhat before actually opening up, so if you have a swage that is not straight, it may be reason for concern. The degree of twist is what determines how close to failure the swage is though. I can't say how much twist is too much. I am not going to try to quote her here, but I would suggest that when you inspect your rig, take a look at the swages etc. as well as all the other stuff.

And of course, she said they always err on the side of caution, capitalism aside, a life isn't worth the gamble on the big lake, and she's rather not get to be known as running the shop that missed the weak link in a rig.

In any case, at this point I am willing to give them another nod as a great local business to deal with: www.riggingshoppe.com brick and mortar business with a web outlet, and real people if you call their 1-800 number. Tell them you saw the post here, and maybe someday they'll have a forum discount or something!

Edited by - Prospector on 06/07/2012 17:07:23

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