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redviking
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Response Posted - 06/21/2012 :  11:30:30  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by DaveR</i>
<br />And that's the Hall County Sheriff's dive team? Wow...........

I'm not going to subscribe to a "Pontoons are evil" though, I'm actually looking at pontoons right now. I think they have their problems as do all types of vessels, but properly lit and properly operated they're just fine. And whether you're drinking or not you need to act like a captain, be vigilant and responsible.
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Yes, but if you test above legal limits you negate any rights you may have. I will bet $ on this one...

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redeye
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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 :  05:04:16  Show Profile
Yepper .. They are gonna Fry the Fisherman. Newly divorced, owns a hair salon, just lost his house, and out with his girlfriend. Pontoon boat holds 17, but I just can't imagine staying situation aware with 14 onboard. Pontoon boat design is a tragic design if you ask me..Floating party with the captain in the back. Tragic either way, but they had a head on collision and we know nothing about the driver of the pontoon boat, but the fisherman is all over the news.

Again.. this is a Heavy traffic Lake.
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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 :  06:36:57  Show Profile
Ah Ha..There is the key: VIGILANT and RESPONSIBLE!
scares me what is out there sometimes...
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Joe Diver
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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 :  07:57:08  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by redeye</i>
<br />...Pontoon boat design is a tragic design if you ask me..
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Nah.....Pontoons are fantastic boats as long as you are a responsible skipper and use them as designed in the correct conditions. Exceed the capacity, go out in high winds/waves, overcrowd at night....all these things make any vessel unsafe.

Back before the vis went to crap at Possum Kingdom, my buddies and I would rent a pontoon boat several times over the summer, every year. They make a PERFECT dive boat. Fantastic platform for several divers, gear, spouses. Plenty of space to gear up, easy to get in/out of the water, plenty of space to stow gear, have lunch, relax during surface intervals, adequate speed to move between dive sites, shaded tops, big sunny deck up front, ladders....for lake diving you simply can't beat a properly equipped pontoon boat.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/22/2012 :  14:44:34  Show Profile
Driven properly, a pontoon boat definitely is a fun ride. My sister-in-law and her husband have a 22 ft. Harris pontoon boat with a 115 hp Yamaha o/b at Lake Martin. With 4-5 on board, it will cruise nicely at 18-20 mph. We've had good times on that boat, nice swim/party platform. It's 10 years old now and has held up very well. They carry a spotlight for night driving the rare times they do it.
Even though that boat may have been rated to carry 17 souls, I bet it was very sluggish with 14 on board. And we all know that lights don't always prevent collisions, but they do of course help.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 :  08:30:31  Show Profile
http://www.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/man-charged-with-homicide-1469015.html

April jet ski hits a pontoon boat...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/child-injured-lake-lanier-jet-ski-crash/nPnms/

2 children pulled by a pontoon boat in an inner tube run over by a jet ski last Friday.

I can't even keep up with them all.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 :  10:03:32  Show Profile
It takes a real idiot to run a jet ski into another boat. Unfortunately, the country is full of them, including idiots who drink and drive. Tennessee's highway death toll just passed 500 for 2012!
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Tradewind
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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 :  14:06:08  Show Profile
And at Pensacola Beach former astronaut Alan Poindexter was killed in a jet ski accident by his 26yo son on another jetski.

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_23423.shtml
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 :  18:00:43  Show Profile
There is one thing that probably leads to a lot of these accidents (besides drinking). When driving a sailboat or powerboat, if you reduce throttle the boat will still turn. Pull the throttle off on a jet ski or wave runner and you just lost your steering!

Even well experienced sailors or power boaters might react by reducing throttle if they get into a "situation" because they are used to doing that in a regular boat. It goes against all natural instinct to "gas it" when you're pointed at something you don't want to hit!
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 :  19:34:04  Show Profile
Good point Gary. Not everything that looks stupid really is on closer examination.
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 :  21:11:32  Show Profile
Bullsh!+. When you're screaming around on a PWC you don't know how to operate, stay the hell away from EVERYTHING. The real problem is, PWCs create speeds and situations that the morons on them have no concept of how to handle. If <i>anything</i> requires a license to operate, that's it. Where else are you allowed <b><i>rent</i></b> something and do 50-60-70 mph around other people when you have <i><b>no idea what you're doing?</b></i> <b>NOWHERE.</b>
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 07/07/2012 :  22:19:35  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stinkpotter</i>
<br />Bullsh!+. When you're screaming around on a PWC you don't know how to operate, stay the hell away from EVERYTHING. The real problem is, PWCs create speeds and situations that the morons on them have no concept of how to handle. If <i>anything</i> requires a license to operate, that's it. Where else are you allowed <b><i>rent</i></b> something and do 50-60-70 mph around other people when you have <i><b>no idea what you're doing?</b></i> <b>NOWHERE.</b>
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I agree completely with both of your statements!

I also believe places that rent jetskis should have to rent the lower powered units. Renting the fastest jetskis made seems irresponsible. It's kind of like renting a Suzuki Hayabusa to someone that's never driven a motorcycle.

From Suzuki's website I think the first sentence says it all:

<b><i><font color="blue">"2012 Hayabusa
The Suzuki Hayabusa, quite simply, isn't for everyone".</font id="blue"></i></b>

<b><i><font color="maroon"><font size="1">Where else are you allowed to rent something...?</font id="size1"></font id="maroon"></i></b>

Everywhere! Every car rental place in the country will rent you a car and the majority of the people on the roads today are idiots. 70 MPH 5 feet off the back bumper of the the car in front of them while putting on make-up and/or talking on a cell phone! Entering the freeway at 45 MPH when everyone on the freeway is doing 70!

The list goes on.
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 :  08:44:21  Show Profile
...except I have to show my <i>driver's license</i> at the rental counter. Granted, you can't regulate away arrogance, but you can enforce some basic knowledge such as how to start, stop, and steer a car, and what road signs mean... and take the license away from those who ignore the rules too often.
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 :  09:10:17  Show Profile
Agreed.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/08/2012 :  11:51:37  Show Profile
Approximately 1/2 of the online boater safety course I took for Tennessee dealt with the safe operation of a PWC. I was a bit irritated at that, but not after driving one. Like riding a motorcycle, you have to be aware of everything going on around you. And you can and should, in certain situations, throttle back a jet ski to turn, just not all the way since that will kill steerage.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/09/2012 :  05:21:35  Show Profile
Crab Island ( Okaloosa Island/Destin/FtWalton ) is a very populated area.. everyone knows it and they usually slow Way down.. but not the nuts on the rental jet skis..



We usta just hate them, but now the joke is they are free labor.. you can get a tow for a six pack...
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TCurran
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Response Posted - 07/09/2012 :  16:50:00  Show Profile
Ray, that picture just solidifies that I made the right decision on the location of my retirement house... We were out sailing late afternoon this past Saturday and saw only four to five boats, and one of them was a buddy sailing with us.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/10/2012 :  07:59:57  Show Profile
&lt;&lt; Saturday and saw only four to five boats &gt;&gt;

I try not to talk about our selection..
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