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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 11/04/2012 : 12:28:09

I don't know whether it was the case here, but owners often put intense pressure on professional skippers and crews. They hire them with the understanding that they are pros, and as such, they are expected to meet schedules, and to sail in foul weather when required. If a skipper or crew refuses, he knows he is likely to lose his job. Also, crews on ships like the Bounty often have "affection" for the ship and see it as their duty to try to save the ship, even at extreme risk to themselves. They could easily be persuaded that she was safer at sea than in port during a hurricane. In short, their better judgment might have been clouded by other considerations.

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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 11/04/2012 : 15:10:41

I doubt that anyone will speak until after the investigation. It should be an interesting read.

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/05/2012 : 04:58:34

Yepper ... it may be a long time to hear that story.. The captain was a previous captain of a ship I've always loved, the [url="http://www.governorstone.org/"]Governor Stone[/url] and he kept a home in Apalachicola Florida.

Interesting article on the Fantome sinking in The New Yorker, if you can find it and the legal responsibilities of the Captain and the debate over riding out the storm.

This article apparently reviews what happened. I'm about to read it now.

[url="http://www.fortogden.com/fantommiamiherald.html"]Fantome[/url]

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/05/2012 : 12:30:10

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4Jh5_woT0&feature=related"]And the Bounty out in a storm[/url]

Edited by - redeye on 11/05/2012 12:55:01

TakeFive
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Response Posted - 11/05/2012 : 12:32:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redeye
 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BNDneMuO7-U#!"]Video of Captian[/url]

S.A. said he was nuts...

around 10 min.. I havn't had a chance to look at it yet.
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FYI, I posted that link 3 days ago.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 11/05/2012 : 13:18:51

He seems proud of the sailing he's done in hurricanes on Bounty. He "knocked on wood" when answering that he'd never lost crew overboard--concerned that he shouldn't even have answered... Perhaps she shouldn't have.

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redviking
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 02:30:47

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 He seems proud of the sailing he's done in hurricanes on Bounty. He "knocked on wood" when answering that he'd never lost crew overboard--concerned that he shouldn't even have answered... Perhaps she shouldn't have.

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Sailors folly. The sea is a powerful mistress. If you don't respect her, she will kill you.

Sten

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/06/2012 : 04:43:40

It is just amazing to me that in the past we would pretty much say "Oh Well, we will probably not hear the story for years."

But now, you get to see video from an internet search that pretty much not only tells the story, but lets you see the actors as well.

Just amazing...

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redviking
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Response Posted - 11/08/2012 : 21:41:29

The crew was on ABC the other morning... Motley crew for sure... The whole "we chase hurricanes" bit the Captain was shown on Maine video tells the whole story. What is even worse is that crew members stuffed personal effects like a teddy bear into their survival suits. Epirb reportedly failed as well... Ralph Nader the whole lot... Wrong place, wrong time. Thankfully no Coasties died trying to save these dumbasses.

Sten

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redeye
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Response Posted - 11/09/2012 : 04:48:11

Yepper.. The Generator engine probably failed from Teddy Bear fur in the intake.

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