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cwstrang
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Initially Posted - 02/07/2013 : 12:56:54

Guys: If I did it correctly I posted two photos in my album of my main reefing lines. In one photo I am holding block that my reefing line runs through. The problem I have is that when I reef the main this block twists and pulls up pinching off the line. When I bought Three Bs from its owner I had a pretty quick once over the boat and have never been able to figure this out. Any ideas? Thanks, Craig

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 02/08/2013 : 17:41:27

When members create albums on the site, the public (and the rest of us) cannot view the albums unless they are published.

Easy to do: Login to the members area, click on Manage My Albums, click on the 'Edit Settings' icon for that album (it's to the right of the Album title with the other icons for each album) Then in the Album settings page, select 'Publish' and Save it.

Now the Album will appear in the Recent Albums page and in the appropriate Category page.

Members can also get the code to include an image here in the forum: Login to the members area, click on Manage my Images, locate the image in your list of images. Click on 'Forum Insert Code' icon for that image (off the right) and then select the format of the image to show in the forum. Then the code below the image will change as you make selections (main image, thumbnail, include title, caption, image alignment) cut and paste that code into a forum post and you'll see something like this:

members can also use a similar method to show a link to their albums here in the forum.
Login to the members area, click on Manage My Albums, locate the album you wish to link to. Then click on the Forum Insert Code icon for that Album. Make your selections (image size, title,caption,alignment) and cut and paste the code provided into a forum post and you'll see something like this:

<center>[url="https://www.catalina-capri-25s.net/cgi-local/MBR_gallery.cgi?Album+1000+42"]

<b>Rudder to Engine Hardlink</b>[/url]
I did this mod over 5 years ago, had to replace one of the arms when it broke due to excessive force at the wheel.</center>

Paul

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 02/09/2013 : 14:08:24

Is your reefing system two line or single line? It looks like the block in the picture is attached to your boom to mast attach point. Your system might function better if this block was attached to the mast base. On your boat there should be a small block attached to the port side of the mast. This is where the original reefing line was run to pull down on the main. I am just shooting in the dark here since I cannot see how your system is put together. This photo shows the small block on the port side of the mast.

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cwstrang
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Response Posted - 02/13/2013 : 16:38:28

Paul: Thanks, easy steps to publish the album.
Jerry: That might be just what I need to do. As I said I only got a quick once over on the boat before we lowered the mast to trailer it from up north to St Helens. I should have taken a bunch more photos of the set up.

craig

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 02/13/2013 : 17:41:28

Craig, am I right in thinking that you have a BoomKicker. That fitting below your boom on the mast looks like the boomkicker anti twist bracket.

Paul

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cwstrang
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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 10:41:22

Paul:
Good morning. Yes I have a boomkicker..

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/20/2013 : 18:57:23

To me, it looks like the block is attached to the reef cringle (reef point tack)to pull it down and possibly leave the line on the port side instead of the line running through the cringle and down the starboard side.

The block will likely reduce friction in the single line reefing system and if enough reduction then the system should be good.

It does leave the issue area of the line turning down out of the boom and to the mast cheek block in that it often does not run fair and sometimes drags on the boom rather than exiting the boom fair.

If unhappy with the single line reefing, a two line system can work far easier and better.

Edited by - Arlyn Stewart on 02/20/2013 18:59:39

Russ.Johnson
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Response Posted - 03/05/2013 : 17:01:59

Craig,

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the previous owner modified the reefing setup.
The factory "Jiffy Reefing" uses a single reef line that ends on the mast cleat.
Most people prefer the reef line to be lead to the cockpit, so changes are common.
It looks like the previous owner used the jib halyard turning block from the mast base and attached it to the gooseneck.
I could believe this would get twisted.
When you get a chance, I would like to see a picture of the reef lines in action (with the main actually reefed).
That would help figure out how to run the lines differently.
I have a 2004 C250WB (hull 793)

I'll be in Portland the week of March 18th.
Perhaps we could meet.
Russ Johnson

Below is the "Jiffy Reefing" diagram from the owners manual

Edited by - Russ.Johnson on 03/05/2013 17:16:34

cwstrang
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Response Posted - 03/15/2013 : 13:56:55

Russ: I was planning on taking some addtional photos to better highlight the problem I am having. Three Bs still has the winter cover but if the rain holds off this weekend I plan to take it off. Craig

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TakeFive
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Response Posted - 03/15/2013 : 21:27:44

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FYI, I originally added blocks to both reef cringles. Although it did reduce friction greatly, I had a problem snugging up the the reef because the reef line would pull the tack cringle down below the boom instead of adding tension to the clew cringle. As a result, the clew cringle would not have enough tension, and the boom would droop at its aft end. Basically this is because the weight of the boom is borne by the clew much more than it is by the tack (since the tack is right next to the gooseneck).

I achieve much better reefing by having a block at the clew cringle only, and I pass the reefing line through the tack cringle as shown in the above diagram. Then when I tension the reefing line, the tack pulls down to the gooseneck and stops, and any further tension transmits back to the clew cringle, giving a firmer reef, more level mast, and flatter, more depowered sail shape.

So in summary, I follow the diagram exactly, with two exceptions:
<ul><li>Add a block to the clew cringle on the port side
</li><li>Instead of using the reef cleat at the mast, I run my reefing line through a block at the mast base, then a deck organizer, then back to a clutch at the cockpit.
</li></ul>

The single block reduces friction enough to make the rig usable, since the line tension overcomes any friction. Shaking the reef out is a little more difficult and usually requires going to the mast, but as a rule I'm shaking out the reef in calm conditions where going to the mast is safe and easy. Conversely, taking in a reef is often done in more difficult conditions, so the benefit of doing that from the cockpit is great.

Edited by - TakeFive on 03/15/2013 21:29:09

ruachwrights
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Response Posted - 04/13/2013 : 18:54:17

Jiffy reefing is great. Mine sort of went by the wayside on one of my first sails because I accidentally pulled the line out of the boom. I have not been able to figure out how to fish it back through short of taking the boom apart. You can simply use ties around the reef points. Works pretty well.

Vern Wright
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PZell
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Response Posted - 04/14/2013 : 07:38:44

Vern, Just tying the reef points is not a good idea. Puts too much pressure on those spots and does not pull sail tight along boom. A good breeze would rip your sail. I am not familiar with the in boom reefing line set up, but have you tried using one of those reels of wire tape made for snaking wire through conduit? Push a light line through and then attach to your regular size line and pull it through.

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bear
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Response Posted - 04/14/2013 : 08:21:07

Vern, I ran a line through my boom and found the easiest way was to take the two end pieces off the boom and I used a small diameter PVC pipe with the end of the line taped to the end of the PVC pipe. Also on my 250 I have two reef points and use 3/8" line through the reef points tied snugly around the boom. Never had a problem. Doyle sails installed the second reef points along with the 3/8" line through the reefing tie down grommets.

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ruachwrights
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Response Posted - 04/16/2013 : 16:22:58

Maybe I'll try again now that my boom is off anyway. Though sail shape is not perfect, I did find that sail ties work in hard conditions as long as you firmly tie them off close to either end of the boom before threading through grommets.

Vern

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