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jerlim
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Initially Posted - 02/14/2013 : 13:10:00

This only gets worse for the passengers....

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/02/14/carnival-ship-dead-in-the-water-after-tow-line-snaps/

....they're going to have people swimming ashore soon...

Jerry

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 14:25:06

Reports from passengers now are that the crew cleaned up a lot this morning, toilets are working again, and now they're serving lobster and steak. The tow rope broke a short while ago, but now she's moving.

Think about this: They're towing her into a zig-zag channel into Mobile Bay, and the channel is only 400' wide--Triumph is 893' x 116'. It's going to be an interesting exercise with tugs pushing on the sides to maneuver her in.

4,200 people on a boat is just too many!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 02/14/2013 14:26:03

shnool
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 15:30:02

I've been on that exact boat... many years ago. While Carnival is always upgrading their boats with new "features," to say the boat was long in the tooth 12 years ago when I was on it, is an understatement, can only imagine what kind of shape it's in now.

I really don't find cruises of any fun or value (I guess it's just me). My boss just came back from a cruise back in the fall... it was the one that hit the news for being stuck out to sea when Sandy came ashore. With rather large following seas. 4 extra days out at sea, and they docked at Boston initially, when their ultimate destination was NY... We all know NY got hit pretty hard.

Yep, don't think I'd want to be captive on a boat with 4000+ people, with shortages of food/water, and no control over the situation.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 19:29:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Stinkpotter
 4,200 people on a boat is just too many!

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">After spending time in remote areas of Colorado and the peace and solace of sailboat, a cruise ship never held any real appeal - even less so now.

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panhead1948
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 20:00:11

My idea of a cruise boat is the schooner Heritage. 96ft on deck up to 30 passengers and you don't have to worry about the motor quiting. If you want to check it out goolge schooner Heritage. KJ

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redviking
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 22:17:17

I'm not "cruising" on anything where I am not the captain or at a minimum I have to have complete access to all areas of the vessel, including the bridge. Sadly, I trust pilots a hell of a lot more than a ship captain.

Sten

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hewebb
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 : 07:01:48

Took a cruse several years ago-never again.

Took a windjammer dive cruse since and it was great.

What I do not understand is why they did not bring another ship or two and remove the passengers, or go to the closest port. It appears to me that Carnival did not have the passengers best interest in mind-just the cheapest way. That said; True to the news media methods, they portrayed the worst situation/emotion they could possibly find.

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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 : 08:17:21

Boy, I dunno how you'd remove passengers at sea on one of those things... en masse, obviously there are emergency procedures to do so with life boats, but that's well, an emergency situation. Honestly, I don't think the boat was in danger being powerless (perhaps if a storm came up sure, or they were close to land).

I mean we're talking 3000+ (some say 4000+).. I am actually thinking letting people deal with porta-potties, and pushing the ship into the closest port is likely the safest way to deal with that many people, many of which think a cruise ship isn't really a boat at all, just city on the water that moves.

I haven't really read into the event, but, the boat boast's 6 diesel engines, and it's a hybrid, providing electricity for the boat. I understand there was a fire an all, but were all electrical systems affected? Aren't most critical systems redundant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Triumph

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 : 10:47:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shnool
 Aren't most critical systems redundant?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That very topic was raised this morning on NPR. Even though they didn't lose all of the engines, they lost the leg that powered the plumbing and AC systems.

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Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 : 11:17:38

Sounds like they need a "grid".

BTW, speaking of cruises to hell, you can now clearly see the Costa Concordia on Google Earth/Maps. Go to Giglio Porto, Italy. She's lying there in clear view (or at least the port side is in clear view).

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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 : 11:34:56

With some electrical tape, and some wire crimpers I am sure they could have "jury rigged" something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_rig Just kiddn. that google link to the Concordia... ugh, that's a sad sight.

http://goo.gl/maps/KjKz1

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islander
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 : 15:13:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">4,200 people on a boat is just too many!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
The guy with the Silverton in Oyster Bay doesn't see anything wrong with it.

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