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shnool
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Initially Posted - 02/15/2013 :  11:25:42  Show Profile  Visit shnool's Homepage
I am considering changing my cabintop layout, to include 3 rope clutches per side on the coach roof.

Right now I have the original layout, which is a winch on each side, and cam cleats for each halyard (the cam cleats are toast, no spring left). I purchased inexpensive cam cleats to replace them, but they have different centers so I'd have to drill anyway. Thing is I really don't like the cam cleats either. So my thoughts were to replace that arrangement with spinlocks. Looking at the XAS ones now.

The arrangement of lines to these now are... Port: Jib halyard, Spin Halyard, and Main topping lift (if I get a kicker that will be removed)... Starboard: Main halyard, Spin Downhaul, Spin Topping Lift. I don't like the arrangement of lines as it stands, but that's a project for another day.

I figure placement should be forward of the winches as far outboard as I can go... Does anyone use these, can the recommend them for use for this purpose?

Anyway, this is my coach roof now:
C&C 32 Smith Mountain Lake Virginia
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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 :  11:36:23  Show Profile
Put them where those clams are in front of the winches, and so that the center of the triple clutch is lined up with where the line would wrap the winch.
Edited by - NautiC25 on 02/15/2013 11:37:13
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JohnP
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 :  12:00:13  Show Profile
No, I have old Lewmar rope clutches, but those Spinlock clutches should be great! Mine are probably original equipment from 1978, and they still work perfectly after all these years.
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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 :  12:37:23  Show Profile
I only have a Spinlock on one side right now because I got a good deal on it. Want to buy another next week. Where did you find the best deal?
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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 :  13:27:33  Show Profile  Visit shnool's Homepage
Defender had them at $202 for a triple...
http://tinyurl.com/cp9esel

The lewmar ones are still sold and others were complaining about them at the Capri 22 forum a while back, and frankly I'll spend $30 more if the XAS models work better... $172 advertised.
http://tinyurl.com/cojf7zs

But Catalina Direct has them for $165
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1948&ParentCat=208

I'd really like to fix some of the "difficulties" I've had with managing these lines while sailing solo. See here (not my neatest line organizing, and I usually do better but you get the jist):


I am also thinking some halyard bags, maybe these:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1844
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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 :  13:38:28  Show Profile
Everyone I sail with, including myself, just throws the tails in the cabin.
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jmadd
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 :  13:54:02  Show Profile
Just to chime in on the clutches thing, I have a three rope clutch on my starboard side with the line arrangement just like John said in his original post. I'm not crazy about it if you're going to run the spin lines through there.

What I've found is that often in roundings/take downs you want to let the topping lift and downhaul run free so the foredeck person can stow the pole without un-hooking it. To do that you need to have the levers on the clutch sticking straight up (or at least that's what they do on mine) and they often get in the way or get inadvertently pushed down before the foredeck person gets the pole stowed. I think actually cam cleats are just as good an idea for those lines, and that just leaves the main halyard for the clutch.

Also get rid of that cleat that is on the port side forward of the cabin top winch. If I had a dollar for every time my spin halyard caught in that in a takedown I could buy a new chute with it. Finally took it off last year.
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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/15/2013 :  15:24:15  Show Profile  Visit shnool's Homepage
jmadd, now that you mention it, that darned thing has caught mine as well... trying to douse the jib myself. Drove me nuts last season.

Well I have the cams, so I can do that for the spin, so sounds like 3 on port, and a single on starboard (actually maybe double) cause I wanted to reroute my cunningham correctly (I had a makeshift cunningham all season)... while I am not always tweaking that normally, my sail was so bagged out, I had to tweak everything just to get usable shape. I've gotten used to having it run to the pit, so I'll maybe put it there too.
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piseas
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Response Posted - 02/18/2013 :  13:42:49  Show Profile  Visit piseas's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by shnool</i>
I am also thinking some halyard bags, maybe these:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1844

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John, I have 2 of those on my boat and love them. You can kinda see one behind the Admiral just below the winch cover.
Steve A
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 02/18/2013 :  14:27:07  Show Profile
Ya, moving rope is magnetically attracted to clam cleats!
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 02/18/2013 :  18:10:37  Show Profile
I have a 250; here is my setup; it might give you some ideas.
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NautiC25
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Response Posted - 02/18/2013 :  19:27:35  Show Profile
^^^I used a smaller but similar 3m product to hang a bag. It quickly became brittle and fell apart due to UV exposure. Maybe 6 months.


On that subject, has anyone found some already made sunbrella covers for clutches? Other clutches I've seen become faded gray and the labels deteriorate. I'd like to cover them up when not in use.
Edited by - NautiC25 on 02/18/2013 19:36:20
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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/19/2013 :  04:47:02  Show Profile  Visit shnool's Homepage
I don't have to cover the clutches if I install them... Because these boats are notorious for leaking, the prior owner nipped it in the bud this way (oh nevermind the picture, she was rocking an rolling in the slip after a drive by motorhead).
Edited by - shnool on 02/19/2013 04:48:01
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/19/2013 :  19:05:46  Show Profile
Can you get us some more pictures closer up and from different angles? I'd like to get one of these made for my boat.
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shnool
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Response Posted - 02/19/2013 :  19:40:15  Show Profile  Visit shnool's Homepage
right now its partially open in the garage covered in dust from sanding. In fact I think I am at a point I need to drag it out and spray wash it... But yeah maybe.
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