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Bryan Beamer
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Initially Posted - 01/25/2003 : 20:13:32

I know you guys up north can't sail right now. I am very fortunate to be able to sail, so I thought I would share some pics that were taken during today's sail.

Hope this helps more that hurts.

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My buddy Brad at the wheel.
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/26/2003 : 13:31:28

Well let me say this about that. We are almost 48 Deg N hear in Settle. Yesterday it was in the 50s and today is even warmer. So far we have had a few winter storms but thanks to El Nino its been a very warm winter. I have bulbs comming up in the yard and the migratory geese have never flown south. There is a huge pocket of warm water traped in the Gulf of Alaska and fishermen are catching warm water fish. The jet stream has been pushed north and goes half way accros the U.S. before heading south to dump its cold air and moisture on the east coast. Its freezing all the way down to Florida. Alaska hasn't even begun to get the snow it normaly has. Looks like our weather for sailing here is and will be good. All we need to do is pick and chose between the huge high and low pressure fronts that come in as they battle their way accros from the Pacific. Weather all around the world is changing. Huricane seasons cant be counted on to be correct. They are forcasting far more huricanes and who knows what else. Who was that mad man that looked like Kevin Costner that just flew past on a stange looking trimaran yelling got any resin ?

Doug&Ruth
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 10:17:09

Looks like it was a nice sail. We used to sweep the snow off the boat and sail to Browns games when we could. However about 3 straight weeks of below freezing weather has the lake frozen...It is -2 degrees before the wind chill!!!

Hey, get those fendors off the lifelines while underway too!!

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 11:12:42

Thanks for the pics, Bryan. Keep them coming. It's nice to see them, although it does hurt, especially for those of us who have just bought their boats and have to wait until spring for their first Splash Day.

Happy Sailing

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 20:23:47

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Hey, get those fendors off the lifelines while underway too!! <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That is not their permanent home. Ben doing a test to see what works best.I use to take them off and stow them, but the cockpit lockers are not the biggest and they're full with other things. If I put them below the kids play with them. Tried laying them on the deck (with one side tied of course)but they would roll off when healing. Still working on a place for them.

Do you have any suggestions of where to stow them?

Bryan Beamer
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 20:40:03

Bryan - if you had a C25 you could stow them in the port "warehouse" <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 21:00:09

"Do you have any suggestions of where to stow them?"

Are these the fenders that you use when coming into your slip?

I have a set of fenders that are tied to my slip, portside to, that remain there all season with another set stored aboard for use away from the slip. This way I never have to deploy/stow fenders when coming/leaving the slip.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/27/2003 : 22:57:27

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>if you had a C25 you could stow them in the port "warehouse"
Derek,
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I can't complain about not having a "warehouse" because I have a full stern sleeping berth and that is more important to the Admiral than storage space.

Don,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Are these the fenders that you use when coming into your slip? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yes they are, but I only carry 2, due to the lack of cockpit storage space. If I leave them at the slip I don't have any for rafting up or going to the pump out station.

I do have some other ideas I haven't tried yet. Except for looking tacky hanging them on the life lines works ok.

Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 02:04:42

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Thanks for the pics, Bryan. Keep them coming. It's nice to see them, although it does hurt, especially for those of us
who have just bought their boats and have to wait until spring for their first Splash Day. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I am experiencing another form of this new boat torture. The weather is beautiful, warm offshore winds. The new boat is in the side yard in an unusable state while I work on the must fix before use list. It does make it nice to work on the boat, but it is killing my wife and I.

Todd Hansen
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 05:46:14

Bryan,

Yes, Byran, thanks for the pics and for contributing to the lack of sanity of us northern guys <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

You said,

I do have some other ideas I haven't tried yet. Except for looking tacky hanging them on the life lines works ok.



Having fenders on the life lines does look tacky and in much of my experience I find that many stinkpotters tend to leave them on their life lines. In my minds eye its not ship shap. I don't have kids to worry about, at least little ones, unless the grandkids come sailing, but I just drop my fenders below before ZI stop being a stinkpot, and put them back after I become a stinkpot again.

What about about a locker below?

Don Peet
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 11:55:03

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Don,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Are these the fenders that you use when coming into your slip? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yes they are, but I only carry 2, due to the lack of cockpit storage space. If I leave them at the slip I don't have any for rafting up or going to the pump out station.

I do have some other ideas I haven't tried yet. Except for looking tacky hanging them on the life lines works ok.

Bryan Beamer
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Hi Bryan,

I didn't realize that the C-250's storage space was a bit sparse ... I'm sure there must be room somewhere for only two fenders, but I suppose there might not be a convenient place for them.

I have seen some stainless steel hooks up for bid on eBay that allow you to hang fenders on the stern pulpit, or lifelines ... they hook into each end of the fender so that the fender is parallel to the water's surface. After looking closely at your photos, I'm not sure these would work on your boat, but here is what they look like:

<img src="http://www.itwebdevil.com/Ebay/John/fendkadi.jpg" border=0>

I like Don's idea of leaving fenders tied up at your slip ... as long as you don't plan to raft up or go to the pump-out station, it seems to me this would work.

At my marina a lot of people have installed a "boat catcher" that works great for coming into the slip. If you have a finger dock on each side of your boat, this idea works great. There isn't much to it ... it's just a line that goes from the front of the slip to the back in a V-shape ... there is a fender tied at the bow end that you can "crash" into ... here is what it looks like:

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'Sorry for the photo, but that's the best one I had that shows the attachment at the bow-end of the slip. The photo shows my daughters doing the denaming/renaming ceremony last Christmas ... my younger daughter is pouring champagne on the bow (we wanted to be environmentally correct by not smashing the bottle and putting glass into the bottom of the slip ... besides, I wouldn't let her smack my boat!).

I found another option that would work, but you'd have to buy new fenders. I just saw this on eBay ... West Marine makes fenders that are flat ... they are easier to store than round ones, and you can use them for seat cushions in the cockpit if you want to:
<img src="http://www.westmarine.com/images/full/HULLHUGR_F.JPG" border=0>

Anyway, I hope these ideas help you get your fender dilemma sorted out ... good luck!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 12:29:10

There's also a much cheaper solution. The entrance to my slip has those styrofoam "worms" attached to it with cable ties - they are the things that people play with in the water, about 6" diam and 6' long. 2 on each side protect the boat from hitting the leeward side of the dock and cost less than $25. The only time I use fenders is to dock at the other yacht club.
Derek

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 18:07:17

Thanks for the ideas guy's.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have seen some stainless steel hooks up for bid on eBay that allow you to hang fenders on the stern pulpit, or lifelines ... they hook into each end of the fender so that the fender is parallel to the water's surface. After looking closely at your photos, I'm not sure these would work on your boat.

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I have that as the next test, behind the wheel is a pulpit that will just hold them. If placed just right thay could double as a cushions back support for the person at the helm.

I don't have what we call a single slip. We can only get on the boat from the port side.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 19:52:46

"There's also a much cheaper solution. The entrance to my slip has those styrofoam "worms" attached to it with cable ties"

Those swim noodles(or whatever you call them) are used by people at my marina, too. Last season the powerboat across the dock from me used them, and every time his boat rocked from the wind or waves, it produced a squeaking noise. This noise was almost constant, squeeeeeeeak.....squeeeeeeeeeeak.....squeeeeeeeeeeak.....all day and all night. It didn't bother me because I don't spend the night down there, but the sailor next to this boat, in order to get some peace and quiet, would throw one of his fenders on the powerboat to keep it from squeaking.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 20:06:19

Don - I don't have that problem - they are just to protect the sides as I come into the slip - have you noticed, that, even with fenders out, the side of the boat always hits the dock where the fenders aren't!<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> My bridle and hoist lines keep the boat centered in the slip.
It must have been either a narrow slip or a big powerboat to rub the sides of the dock!
Derek

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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 20:38:22

"...have you noticed, that, even with fenders out, the side of the boat always hits the dock where the fenders aren't!"

Yes, that's why my fenders are on the dock and not tied to the boat. Because of my slip's vertical fenderboards, I can only hit at specific places and if my fenders were on the boat it would be almost impossible. With the fenders on the fenderboards, I don't have that problem.

"It must have been either a narrow slip or a big powerboat to rub the sides of the dock!"

My marina has double slips, so you are either starboard or portside-to, which means that the boat is going to be up against the vertical fenderboards. As you can see in the photo, each slip has 4 fenderboards, with the middle 2 usually the ones that the boat rubs up against. With the constant contact, slips with the noodles can become quite squeaky.

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Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 21:40:50

Guys... I think you're being a little anal with Bryan. I trust that your wives would attest that no one of you ever leaves the toilet seat up!

If his fenders were trailing over the sides and dragging in the water, I'd cringe, too. But what's the difference between hanging snug to the lifelines and being held horizontal on hooks hanging from the lifelines? On short daysails (or sunset sails) I often flip the fenders up between the cabin and the stanchions. If they fall back over the rail, well.... I'm sorry if I'm a disgrace to the class. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 21:58:07

On short daysails (or sunset sails) I often flip the fenders up between the cabin and the stanchions. If they fall back over the rail, well.... I'm sorry if I'm a disgrace to the class.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT


That's what I do all the time, too. Personally, Bryan's fenders don't bother me one bit ... but, it sounded like he wasn't too happy with them there, so I offered a couple of ideas.

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 22:10:07

Don,

Why is the dock so high? They look like docks in an ocean marina. Do the fenderboards anchor to the bottom of the lake? Does the water in Erie go up and down that much. My dock you have to step up to get on the boat.

Dave,

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>On short daysails (or sunset sails) I often flip the fenders up between the cabin and the stanchions. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Kind of like this.

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My buddy Brad at the wheel again.

Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 22:46:30

"Why is the dock so high? Does the water in Erie go up and down that much?

Yes, the water level does flucuates quite a bit. Lake levels are down 2 to 3 feet from 5 years ago. Additionally, lake levels can flucuate on a daily basis due to wind strength, direction, and duration. In certain weather conditions, a 1 to 2 foot drop is not uncommon. This is why I always leave slack in my mooring lines.

Here are some photos of storm surges on Lake Erie. The first set of pictures are of Put-in-Bay and were taken 20 hours apart.

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Do the fenderboards anchor to the bottom of the lake?"

No, they do not go to the bottom, but they are connected at the bottom of the board to the board across from it. In the winter these boards are angled out of the water to avoid ice damage.

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/28/2003 : 23:14:37

Don,

I had no idea the water would surge like that.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Here are some photos of storm surges on Lake Erie. The first set of pictures are of Put-in-Bay and were taken 20 hours apart.

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Those pictures are amazing!!

Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 01/29/2003 : 00:15:42

Hi hi water guys,

Pretty amazing pics. Generally don't think about the great lakes and surge.

We will have a 7.7 foot tidal differential in the SF Bay day after tomorrow. That's kind of exciting if you don't pay attention to the channel markers.

Jim Williams
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Response Posted - 01/29/2003 : 06:46:30

Don,

I'm wondering whether any thought has been given to floating docks? Certainly wouild solve the problem of water variations, and would allow better protection for the moored boats.

Don Peet
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Response Posted - 01/29/2003 : 06:51:23

Re. Lake Erie storm surge:

Many years ago as my family sat down for dinner I got a call from a sailing buddy saying that my laser had sailed itself 1 1/2 miles to the next point in the bay (off Lake Erie)

It seems that a sasch (sp?) had been generated by a passing storm, that's kinda like a tidal wave and had picked up several Lasers stored on the land around the club. To me the amazing thing was the the water that did this came from the western end of the bay, a mile and half from the club, and that lifted wall of water perhaps five feet high to accomplish this.

It would have been interesting to see this happening.

Don Peet
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Response Posted - 01/29/2003 : 11:24:14

Don,

Where I sail Western Lake Erie we experience several seiches every season. Usually this occurs with weather fronts that have winds that blow from the west and can drop the lake level 1 to 2(sometimes more but rarely) overnight, and then return in a few hours. Last season a sailor with a Seaward 25 tied up his boat with the bow pulpit overhanging the dock. To him, it looked okay because the pulpit was a foot and a half above the dock. Well, during a seiche the water level dropped and his pulpit was now resting on the cement dock. Fortunately the water was still high enough for me to untie his boat and move it off the dock.

Here is a definition of a seiche.

What is a seiche? (pronounced "saysh")

"Like water sloshing in a bathtub, seiches are tide-like rises and drops in Great Lakes coastal water levels caused by prolonged strong winds that push water toward one side of the lake, causing the water level to rise on the downwind side of the lake and to drop on the upwind side. When the wind stops, the water sloshes back and forth, with the nearshore water level rising and falling in decreasingly small amounts on both sides of the lake until it reaches equilibrium."

<img src="http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/communications/_FP_Components/graphics/seiche.gif" border=0>

Don Lucier, 'North Star'
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Response Posted - 01/29/2003 : 22:42:26

Thanks for the Photos's. When I saw where the boat was heading from the Helm, a good feeling came over me... Waiting for the snow to melt and cruising over to the Bahamas in April with the Flotilla..

Walt

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