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mrapkins
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Initially Posted - 04/23/2013 : 10:19:00

Here is a picture of my new rudder (next to my old rudder).

http://sdrv.ms/11zgXSm

Ruddercraft insist that this is the correct rudder for a C25!!!!!

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shnool
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Response Posted - 04/23/2013 : 11:27:05

Thank you for being the first person I have seen to use skydrive correctly!
Wow, what a difference in size/shape!

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PZell
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Response Posted - 04/23/2013 : 12:32:07

That doesn't look right at all. Are you sure you ordered Catalina 25 rudder and didn't ask for C25 rudder?

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/23/2013 : 14:14:13

Looks about right if you have a flying bridge...

That looks to be about a foot deeper (mounted so the tiller is at the same height), and the "step" that goes under the skeg will be waaaaay below the skeg. I'm not convinced.

EDIT: CD's site shows Ruddercraft's "blue water" rudder for the C-25 as being 82" long, and thereby deeper than the standard. Looks like that's what you have there. What keel do you have? (That is, how much deeper will the rudder be than the keel?)

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/23/2013 14:22:16

awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/23/2013 : 14:19:57

Did you get the bluewater or normal version?

Can you share the dimensions of your new rudder? My old Catalina 25 has a Ruddercraft rudder as well and I can compare it for you.

The shape is very different, but the notch for the skeg is at a different place on yours than ours.

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mrapkins
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Response Posted - 04/23/2013 : 14:20:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PZell
 That doesn't look right at all. Are you sure you ordered Catalina 25 rudder and didn't ask for C25 rudder?
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Turns out, this IS the new rudder for a Catalina 25. Ruddercraft make them for Catalina Direct.

When I reviewed the description on the CD website I read :

"This HDPE rudder is solid plastic, carved by machine from a single block. No fiberglass to split, chip or crack, and no wood or foam core to absorb water. The overall length is 76", the chord length (the fore and aft length of the airfoil) is 12".

These dimensions match my new rudder and the image from CD matches the new rudder!

Ruddercraft state that it will not extend below the bottom of a FIN keel. The CD website says it will extend below a WING keel. They are silent on a FIN keel.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/23/2013 : 14:51:33

My old C-25 was out of the water with that rudder. It extends to about the bottom of the fin keel.

I don't love that rudder. The chord is too short (so it stalls easily) and the blade is too flexible. I should have bought a fiberglass one from Foss. However the boat sails great, so it's much better than what was on there.

There are some photos of that boat out of the water here, but they are front quarter shots taken at night, so the rudder isn't that clear:
http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Sailing/Lutra-Haulout/28302921_b3j5Lj#!i=2395306037&k=4mhgSZW

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/24/2013 : 14:46:36

From the first photo, I don't see how it could possibly be class legal. It appears to have a shorter chord, a deeper depth, and the notch would be several inches below the skeg on the boat. Very odd.

Here's a link to their web site for the blue Water rudder:
http://www.ruddercraft.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=263

Edited by - dmpilc on 04/24/2013 14:57:28

sethp001
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Response Posted - 04/24/2013 : 21:04:15

I think they sent you the wrong rudder. Unless my eyes deceive me, the rudder in your picture is not the same as the rudder in the picture on their website.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 04/24/2013 : 21:49:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 From the first photo, I don't see how it could possibly be class legal. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Since Catalina made so many rudder designs I think that the current C-25 class legal definition for the rudder is just that it needs to be available as a standard production item, and not custom made. This would qualify.

The rudder that I bought for Lutra is this one:
http://www.ruddercraft.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=32&products_id=98

The notch on our boat aligns like the one shown on that page. It is about halfway down the rudder.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 04/25/2013 : 15:05:46

something just occurred to me. Did you specify which yesr your boat is? Weren't the newer C-25's made without the tiller cutout in the transom? On a newer hull, wouldn't the the rudder need to be a few inches taller for the tiller attachment to clear the transom?

Edited by - dmpilc on 04/25/2013 15:08:19

szymek
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Response Posted - 04/25/2013 : 16:58:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 something just occurred to me. Did you specify which yesr your boat is? Weren't the newer C-25's made without the tiller cutout in the transom? On a newer hull, wouldn't the the rudder need to be a few inches taller for the tiller attachment to clear the transom?
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I believe in second half of 80s Catalina made the transom straight.

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mrapkins
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Response Posted - 04/26/2013 : 08:04:21

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 something just occurred to me. Did you specify which yesr your boat is? Weren't the newer C-25's made without the tiller cutout in the transom? On a newer hull, wouldn't the the rudder need to be a few inches taller for the tiller attachment to clear the transom?
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They never asked for the year of the boat.

I do have the cutout in the transom.

Based on what folks are saying here, and the description and measurements on the Cataline Direct website, I have concluded that this is the "improved" rudder for a Catalina 25.

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