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BCG-Woodbury
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Initially Posted - 03/03/2015 : 18:38:15

Has anyone installed an electric outboard like a Torqeedo or Elco on their boats. I'm tired of listening to the Tohatsu 8HP while O motor up to my typical sailing area (I'm on a lake in CT). There are a few models out there that are 10-11 HP equivalent. They use a 48 VDC system (not really sure how to charge that with a solar array). Here are some links to a few that I've looked at.

http://www.torqeedo.com/us/electric-outboards/cruise-r-dinghies-motor-boats-sailboats-up-to-4-tons/technical-data-dimensions

http://www.elcomotoryachts.com/ep-99.shtml

Brian & JoAnne Gleissner
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Lake Candlewood, CT

Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 03/04/2015 : 02:41:06

Yes...

Dalpol Phobos 21, 2013, Sole Mio, hull #27, current adventures - We sail Phobos 21

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Response Posted - 03/04/2015 : 05:34:12

A friend installed an electric inboard in his 30' wood hull Cheoy Lee sloop, and he uses it to get in and out of the marina for a day sail, which comprises most of his sailing, but he uses a conventional gasoline outboard engine for cruising or long distance sailing. He also likes the quiet of electric. I don't remember the details of his battery banks, but he said it was close to the weight of the small old engine that he replaced. If you use the motor very much, I imagine it would require a fairly serious solar charger to keep the batteries charged.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
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Edited by - Steve Milby on 03/04/2015 05:43:27

Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 03/04/2015 : 07:36:40

Hi Brian,
I bought a Torqeedo 2.0 Cruise in 2012 an love it. It's the tiller version with a 29" shaft.
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Response Posted - 03/04/2015 : 09:10:49

We just had a thread on this. lots of info.http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28569

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

dave holtgrave
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Response Posted - 03/04/2015 : 09:26:14

hey bill
what is the costs and how much is battery weight??

thanks in advance

dave holtgrave
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BCG-Woodbury
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Response Posted - 03/04/2015 : 19:28:16

I have a C25, Swing Keel so the weight is up there. I current use the 8HP with a high-thrust prop I added last year. I'm looking to get to my sailing spot quickly so I figured I'd go with the larger size. Torqeedo 4.0 or the Elco 9.9

Brian & JoAnne Gleissner
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/04/2015 : 21:29:32

Looks like the Elco shaft lengths are 15" and 20". A 1984 C25 swing keel boat really needs a 25" shaft, especially if anyone is going to go forward while motoring. I bought the Tohatsu/Nissan 9.8 hp with 25" shaft (and elec start) for that very reason. You currently have the Tohatsu 8 hp. what is its shaft length? If 20", have you had any prop depth issues with it?
Also, the Elco 9.9 will set you back over $4 grand.
If you are sure you want to go electric, get the Torqeedo and buy an extra battery pack. And don't try to buck a strong headwind with it.

DavidP
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

Edited by - dmpilc on 03/04/2015 21:42:17

islander
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Response Posted - 03/05/2015 : 07:26:00

OK So you want to..

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I'm looking to get to my sailing spot quickly

And you named the boat...
Knot So Fast
Well...There's your problem..

Honestly your 8hp will push you easily at hull speed, The boat won't go any faster than that. Changing the motor won't do anything to speed it up.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 03/05/2015 07:49:36

Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 03/05/2015 : 07:58:31

Hi Dave,
I think I paid about $3,000 for the motor, plus another $250 for the extra long battery cables - if I have to use my house batteries as backup. And a couple hundred dollars for the Group 27 batteries and boxes. The batteries fit nicely in the cockpit fuel locker. They probably weigh 75 or 80 lbs each. The motor itself weighs about 40 lbs. So, that's a little more than a friend of mine paid last year for a new Mercury 9.9
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 03/06/2015 : 07:53:52

Bill, don't you wanna share some pictures of your setup please?

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/06/2015 : 08:37:12

Okay, $3,000 for the motor, $250 for cables, and a couple hundred for additional batteries puts you up to at least $3,500. Electric motor and 2 of your batteries weighs 190 lbs. Tohatsu 9.8 XL shaft motor costs $2,100, weighs 93 lbs, comes with a 3 gallon tank & hose, and 3 gal of gas weighs 20 lbs. six gallon spare tank, $50 plus shipping. Seems to me, the gas outboard is less expensive to purchase, weighs less, is easier to refuel away from home port unless you also add photo cell panels (more weight and expense),and gives you longer range under power. The only gains seem to be easier to start and raise/lower, less noise and potentially less pollution.
Now when gas supplies run short or dry up, that's another story!

DavidP
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

Edited by - dmpilc on 03/06/2015 08:39:03

Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 03/07/2015 : 07:15:59

That's pretty much right Dave. But, for me the gains were more powerful in favor of the Torqeedo. In addition, I had been having problems with ethanol in the gasoline for two straight years and the reliability of my gasoline outboard had fallen to the point that I worried if it would start or stay running. My back feels better. As does my nose and ears. And I've had 100% reliability.
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Response Posted - 03/10/2015 : 21:32:24

I just got the new 120 watt fast charger for my 1003, I am not sure why they ship wit a 40 watt.

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