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I use one coat of PCA Gold each year (or two coats, if it looks like it's getting thin. It's currently on sale at Westmarine for $169. a gallon. If I put two coats on in any given year, I'm likely to skip bottom painting for the next year. If you spend a few dollars more now, you save yourself a lot of work later. IMO, it's worth the extra cost.
Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind" previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22 Past Commodore
I use one coat of PCA Gold each year (or two coats, if it looks like it's getting thin. It's currently on sale at Westmarine for $169. a gallon. If I put two coats on in any given year, I'm likely to skip bottom painting for the next year. If you spend a few dollars more now, you save yourself a lot of work later. IMO, it's worth the extra cost.
Steve, if you don't apply a new coat of PCA Gold do you scuff last season's coat to reactivate it?
Kyle '86 SR/SK/Dinette #5284 "Anodyne" In the barn where we found her...
FYI, the newest PCA Gold is different from last year's version. BASF has pulled their anti-slime additive off the market, and the paint companies have not found a replacement for it. So instead of 40% copper and 2% Irgarol, the new formula has something like 47% copper and no Irgarol. And the little "Fights Slime" starburst that used to be on the can is gone.
Copper is great for suppressing hard growth, so that's great for salt water. But if you're in fresh water, the high copper level may not do you much good.
The main purpose of my warning is that if you're going off others' recommendations from past experience, you may not see the same performance going forward.
I managed to get one of the last cans of the "old" version of PCA Gold.
Rick S., Swarthmore, PA PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor) New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)
quote: if you don't apply a new coat of PCA Gold do you scuff last season's coat to reactivate it?
No. Usually at the end of a season a little light pressure wash is all that is needed but not required and the paint re-activates itself when the boat goes back in the water the following year. Hence the name "Multi season". Since you have some CPP You could use the CPP for the first coat then use PCA for the second coat. If the Cpp is blue it would become your signal coat if you follow it up with the second coat of PCA in another color say black. Black looks great on the blue themed boats but Im a little biased.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688 Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound
FYI, the newest PCA Gold is different from last year's version...
Interesting--I thought it was a Pettit paint, and Pettit is still advertising "slime reduction" (as in Hydrocoat SR, which I bought last month). It supposedly has an "organic algaecide". Maybe WM will get it next year.
Dave Bristle Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now boatless for the first time since 1970 (on a Sunfish).
FYI, the newest PCA Gold is different from last year's version...
Interesting--I thought it was a Pettit paint, and Pettit is still advertising "slime reduction" (as in Hydrocoat SR, which I bought last month). It supposedly has an "organic algaecide". Maybe WM will get it next year.
The advertising may be out of date. The discontinuation apparently happened very suddenly. (BASF did the same thing to a key ink ingredient that I use at work a couple years ago. It took a year or work and millions of dollars of development costs to reformulate.)
Check the ingredient label on the actual can and see what it says. If it says "2% Irgarol" or "2% NCN" then you got one of the last "good" cans. It is a federal requirement that the label be accurate, so it will reflect the actual content of the paint. This is another good reason to buy the paint in an actual store instead of online, so you can verify the true content. Returning flammable paint by UPS is very costly.
Here's what Jamestown Distributors sent me (link).
quote: Antifouling Companies Struggle with the Loss of Herbicide Irgarol Posted on March 13, 2015 by Kristin
Your go-to antifouling paint may be different than it was last season.
As a boat owner, debunking the science of which bottom paint to use can be puzzling. Choosing the right antifouling for your boat will depend on many factors including your location, the current and the water temperature as well as what type of boat you have and how frequently you use it. Success with a particular bottom paint usually equals a loyal brand customer who relies on similar results season after season.
So then, if a main ingredient that was touted as being *key* to the antifouling side of boat bottom paint all of a sudden disappeared from the contents, are we ill fated to depend on our tried and true (maybe even blue!) paint? Enter Irgarol: The algaecide supplied by chemical giant BASF and widely relied upon by most marine paint manufacturers to control “soft growths” like slime and plant growth that has very recently been discontinued as a bottom paint ingredient.
BASF seems to have caught the bottom paint industry off guard with their announcement late last year, and while manufacturers of the Irgarol dependent paint hope that in just 6-9 months it could be in production again, there is no guarantee, and certainly these companies had to act quickly to be ready for bottom paint season with an alternative. There are a number of popular antifouling paints that are being affected by BASF’s discontinuation of Irgarol.
Interlux: Micron Extra, Ultra, ACT, VC17m Extra Pettit: Trinidad SR, Trinidad Pro, Ultima SR 40, Ultima SR 60, Hydrocoat SR *SR-21 will not be available until Irgarol is re-released (available at JD.com) Seahawk: Cukote Biocide Plus, Tropikote Biocide Plus West Marine: BottomPro Gold, PCA Gold Blue Water: Copper Pro SCX, Copper Pro SCX Hard, Copper Shield SCX
As a distributor of most of the bottom paints listed above, when Jamestown Distributors got word about the Irgarol shortage, we, like many other suppliers, ordered as much stock as possible of these Irgarol formulated paints to help customers seamlessly prepare for spring launching. Supplies are limited, however we do have these paints in stock and will sell them while inventory lasts. In fact the non-Irgarol replacement paints are also already in stock and for sale by most suppliers, including JD, and we have worked hard on our website to make sure it is clear to customers whether the paint you are buying contains Irgarol or doesn’t.
The moral here: Buyers, be aware of what you are buying. It may not be apparent to you as the consumer if you are using paint with Irgarol or paint without Irgarol. Read the labels carefully. The cans look similar, the type in most cases is small and it can be difficult to tell the two formulas apart.
Jamestown Distributors is sharing this information with our customers because our nearly 40 years of experience and expertise with marine coatings has proven that consumers care about the ingredients and performance of their bottom paint. Our own line of six different TotalBoat bottom paints were all developed without Irgarol and we are obviously glad to stand tall in the industry with our own proven growth-fighting bottom paints, without the distraction of reformulating our product line.
So be informed, read your paint can labels, check the product descriptions at JamestownDistributors.com and monitor your paint’s performance this season. Additionally, we invite you to come aboard the JD Bottom Paint Survey, and be a part of our own research & development of antifouling paints and their performance specific to your boat’s location. The more we know, the more YOU know!
Happy Antifouling! Let’s go boating!
Rick S., Swarthmore, PA PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor) New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)
...Check the ingredient label on the actual can and see what it says. If it says "2% Irgarol" or "2% NCN" then you got one of the last "good" cans.
Good info... My can from Defender says 2% N-Cyclo-something-or-other... (I take it that's the chemical name for Irgarol.) Guess I lucked out for this year.
It appears the UK has banned it.
Dave Bristle Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now boatless for the first time since 1970 (on a Sunfish).
I managed to get one of the last cans of the "old" version of PCA Gold.
That's just great. 4 weeks of on and off research to find what I thought was the right paint that was compatible with CPP and they pull this crap. I even emailed WM about PCA Gold and not one mention of this. Sorry for the French.
Kyle '86 SR/SK/Dinette #5284 "Anodyne" In the barn where we found her...
Not the end of the world Kyle..Paint did not always have Irgarol and preformed just fine without it. Personally I didn't see much of an improvement when they started adding it. The more important number is copper content % and when they outlaw copper in paint then we have a problem. sooner or later they will say 'NO more copper'. I use Pettit Ultima 60SR, 60% copper with the slime protection. Probably their best paint and by July and the water is warm enough I'll jump in the water and run my hand across the bottom and guess what, Slime. IMO it was just a gimmick to add something that probably cost $5 then charge $30 more for the paint. Just to see if maybe it was Pettit's paint last year I painted the rudder with Interlux Micron Extra. Same results, Slime. By the way my boat does not sit at the dock so you cant say that was the problem, Sailed 881 nautical miles last year.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688 Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound
You're probably right, Scott, I tend to over think things (just ask the admiral). Last year was our first year owning a boat. I've shared our story but what I didn't share was that we sailed last year with 3 year old CPP. Was used one year and sat on the trailer for 2. We launched it not knowing any better.
I'll probably pick up the Gold anyway. Grrrr.
Kyle '86 SR/SK/Dinette #5284 "Anodyne" In the barn where we found her...
Kyle--you're in Iowa... No barnacles there... Do you have zebra mussels where you keep the boat? If not, there's not much to worry about. Slime is an issue if you race--costing you maybe a quarter of a knot (~5%). That's a big deal on the race-course, but not noticeable when just out sailing. (We had some most of the time.) Now if your boat sits long enough to grow grass at the waterline, that's just plain embarrassing! (Every marina has a few...)
Dave Bristle Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now boatless for the first time since 1970 (on a Sunfish).
Don't forget that in exchange for the loss of Irgarol, Pettit has increased the copper content in PCA Gold to 47.5% (from 40%). So you are getting some added value and greater potential lifetime in the paint.
FWIW, it looks like Petit has also increased their own Ultima SR-40 to 47.5% cuprous oxide, and Ultima SR-60 to 65% cuprous oxide. I guess they don't want to change the names to SR-47.5 and SR-65.
This antifouling paint formulation does not contain Irgarol, which due to a worldwide shortage is not available as an ingredient. However, the manufacturer has formulated this product to provide similar protection.
PCA Gold is a premium ablative antifouling coating that provides multi-season protection for all boats in all waters. The copper-based formula provides excellent protection against shell, weed and slime fouling. Ablative properties reduce paint buildup.
Type: Copolymer ablative Recommended Usage: All fouling waters Biocide: 47.5% Cuprous oxide Number of Coats Recommended: 2-3 Coverage: 400sq.ft./gal. Drying Time: To overcoat: 6hrs.; To launch: overnight Thinner: Thinner/Dewaxer, Model 5437207
Rick S., Swarthmore, PA PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor) New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)
Don't forget that in exchange for the loss of Irgarol, Pettit has increased the copper content in PCA Gold to 47.5%... FWIW, it looks like Petit has also increased their own Ultima SR-40 to 47.5%...
...because they're the same paint with different labels.
Dave Bristle Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage before going over to the Dark Side (2007-2025); now boatless for the first time since 1970 (on a Sunfish).
I remember back when I was a kid many of the 'Old timers' would make their own bottom paint brew. They would get vegetation and bug killer and mix it into the paint. They all had their own formula and swore by it. Those additives they used have long since been outlawed. Ahh the good old days!
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688 Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound
Kyle--you're in Iowa... No barnacles there... Do you have zebra mussels where you keep the boat? If not, there's not much to worry about. Slime is an issue if you race--costing you maybe a quarter of a knot (~5%). That's a big deal on the race-course, but not noticeable when just out sailing. (We had some most of the time.) Now if your boat sits long enough to grow grass at the waterline, that's just plain embarrassing! (Every marina has a few...)
We've only been sailing for one season but from what I washed off last year it looks like slime is our only issue - it looked nearly a quarter inch thick at haul out. This lake's sailable foot print is roughly 2x6 miles but the water can get so thick with algae you'd never want to ski in it. I would say 6-10 inches is as far below the surface as you can see on a normal day and it's pretty consistent. What we wouldn't give to sail some clear lakes.
Kyle '86 SR/SK/Dinette #5284 "Anodyne" In the barn where we found her...
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