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Stinkpotter
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Initially Posted - 05/25/2015 : 09:44:25

Wow--reading about washouts around Austin, Houston, Tulsa, OKC,... How's it going down there?

Dave Bristle
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Edited by - Stinkpotter on 05/25/2015 09:45:44

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Response Posted - 05/25/2015 : 14:17:37

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Wow--reading about washouts around Austin, Houston, Tulsa, OKC,... How's it going down there?

Had an EF1 tornado tear off the roofs on a couple of buildings in an apartment complex about 10 miles north of me but nothing here.

Lake Travis just NWS of Austin, TX had been down around 54' low for the last several years. On May 1st the lake was at 629.5' MSL which is 51.5 below normal pool level. As of 4PM today it's at 649.55'.

It's come up over 12' in the past two days and there are flood gate operations going on at this time on three of the six lakes that make up the Highland Lakes above Austin.

http://www.golaketravis.com/waterlevel/

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Andiamo
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Edited by - GaryB on 05/25/2015 14:18:51

michael.j.wenger
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Response Posted - 05/25/2015 : 14:31:34

Lake Thunderbird (near Norman, south of OKC) is extremely high: the roads across the dam and out to the lake are well under water. The Lake Thunderbird boat house has flooded, and both of the marinas on the lake are closed.

Oddly, my boat's on the hard, having pulled it out just a bit ago to do some cleaning.

Michael Wenger
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Response Posted - 05/25/2015 : 15:11:57

Are they sensationalizing this on the news or is it as bad as they are showing us in NY. It looks like the whole state of Texas is under water and most of the other states have been blown away with tornado's and hail.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 05/25/2015 : 15:29:05

Can't speak to other media, but the coverage on NPR has been pretty spot on. Lots of flooding here, but we're a long ways from the end of days ;-)

http://www.normantranscript.com/news/flooding-leaves-some-stranded/article_7e50091a-029d-11e5-a6b8-1f2cdf9f0c14.html

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Response Posted - 05/25/2015 : 18:52:48

Austin is under water right now. A dam broke at a State Park just East of Austin. Saw a picture of probably a 30' wall of water coming through the dam. Another dam North of Houston is about to break.

As of 5 minutes ago Lake Travis NW of Austin has risen to 651.94 which is up 2.39 feet since I posted earlier at 4:17 PM this afternoon! There are two dams still in floodgate operations just above Lake Travis so it should continue to climb rapidly overnight.

Did I mention Lake Travis is 65 miles long!!

Edit: 1 Hour later it's up to 652.25 it's up another 1/3 of a foot.

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Edited by - GaryB on 05/25/2015 19:50:20

delliottg
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Response Posted - 05/25/2015 : 19:40:04

Wow, that's an enormous amount of water in a very short time!

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Response Posted - 05/26/2015 : 06:32:15

Things here are a mess. The marina where I keep my boat is closed and I cannot get to it. One of the docks broke loose yesterday and moved into the one next to it which is one away from the dock I am on. The breakwater that normally protects the marina is under water. I may purchase a kayak or something today to get to it and check to be sure all is OK. It is well protected with fenders and dock lines and I think it will be OK.

Yesterday I went with a friend to his boat at Caddo Mills Marina on Lake Texhoma. We found several lines chaffed and had to redo them. Also, there the breakwater is under water and his boat is rocking and rolling in the slip. The restaurant that in normally way above the water has about five feet of water in it. To get to his boat we hand pulled a dingy across a flooded roadway and walked to the marina from there. The marina provides a boat shuttle to the docks from the waters edge.

Our house is high and dry. We are on one of the highest hills in the Fort Worth area. Being in the county we have a septic system that will be pumped today and probably quite often until the ground has a chance to dry out. In twenty eight years this is the first time we have had an issue with it.

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Response Posted - 05/26/2015 : 08:15:46

I feel for you guys, To think that Texas had an extreme drought just a few years ago...Amazing.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 05/26/2015 : 08:44:36

Hope you guys remain okay. Hard to fathom just what you are all going through. I saw part of the news last night when they showed that car with headlights on travelling down the river and then either the same car or another rolling over. It seems like in areas where the water is flowing and the road/path adjacent okay could at a minutes notice then be underwater with swift currents sweeping everything downstream. Can't underestimate conditions even when so much has already happened. Stay safe !

Larry
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Response Posted - 05/26/2015 : 11:59:27

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I feel for you guys, To think that Texas had an extreme drought just a few years ago...Amazing.

We had a drought until about a week ago.

When Lake Travis hit 652.31 last night that was the highest the lake has been since May 2011. Right now it's at 656.16'. Normal Pool is 681'.

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Response Posted - 05/27/2015 : 12:02:21

[quote]Originally posted by hewebb

Things here are a mess. The marina where I keep my boat is closed and I cannot get to it. One of the docks broke loose yesterday and moved into the one next to it which is one away from the dock I am on. The breakwater that normally protects the marina is under water. I may purchase a kayak or something today to get to it and check to be sure all is OK. It is well protected with fenders and dock lines and I think it will be OK.

I have a Sit-On-Top you can borrow. I am in Grapevine. My email is the same as the name I go by on here @gmail.com

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Response Posted - 05/27/2015 : 17:32:46

I know is is a real mess, but just think how much worse it would be if Lake Travis had been at summer pool before this started.

DavidP
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Response Posted - 05/27/2015 : 20:02:26

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I know is is a real mess, but just think how much worse it would be if Lake Travis had been at summer pool before this started.

Actually it's now near it's summertime average.

Lake Travis is the only lake in the chain of six that was designed as a flood control lake. The lake has a huge flood pool and probably could handle most of what it's received in the past week without any major issues (When full the lake holds 1,134,956 acre-feet of water. The flood pool holds about 787,000 acre-feet of additional water before reaching the spillway. That's roughly 70% of the normal pool volume and almost 90% of the next largest lake in that chain of lakes).

Once the lake reaches normal pool level they would start a controlled release that would pass some of the flood waters without major flooding downstream and slow the rise in the flood pool.

Unlike some lakes that are relatively wide and shallow, as the level of Lake Travis drops it gets more and more narrow and was pretty far down into the original river basin in quite a few areas.

Because it narrows drastically as the water drops, when the water starts rising it comes up pretty quickly. The higher it gets the wider it gets and even with the same rate of inflow the rise slows down drastically.

Even after all the flood waters that have flowed into Travis over the past week or two it's only 67% full and that's before hitting the flood pool.

Interesting tidbit for the LCRA website:

September 1952
Lake Travis rose 57 feet in about 14 hours in September 1952 in the
middle of the decade-long �Drought of Record.�

That's a rate of 4.07 feet per hour or 1.02 feet every 15 minutes or .068 feet per minute for a lake that's 65 miles long!

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Andiamo
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Edited by - GaryB on 05/27/2015 20:46:45

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Response Posted - 05/27/2015 : 22:02:13

My boat is at Cedar Mills on Lake Texoma. The lake is 25 feet above flood pool and is flowing roughly 3 feet over the spillway. Middle of last week the inflow hit just less than 300,000 cfs. As of today the inflow and outflow are just about equal just under 100,000 cfs. Pelican Landing restaurant is almost completely under water as well as two maintenance/repair Bldgs. There is no easy access to the marina as of Monday. Lake is up about 33 feet in less than a month.
There are about 10 lakes in Texas that not at least 90% full.

David B.
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Response Posted - 05/28/2015 : 16:10:45

Staggering amounts of water! 300,000cfs is equal to 2,244,000 gallons per second (if my math is correct)!!!

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Andiamo
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/28/2015 : 19:01:01

...and how much of that is headed directly to the Gulf of Mexico? From what I'm hearing, after this mess is over, TX will still be in a condition of drought--no?

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Response Posted - 05/28/2015 : 20:35:55

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...and how much of that is headed directly to the Gulf of Mexico? From what I'm hearing, after this mess is over, TX will still be in a condition of drought--no?

Most all of it will eventually make it to the Gulf.

There will be portions of Texas in some form of drought but for the first time in I believe they said 3 years there are no areas of exceptional drought.

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Andiamo
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Response Posted - 05/29/2015 : 19:42:58

The amount of water that has fallen i such a short time period is nothing less than amazing! Hope anyone who must checkon their boat is careful as the current, flow is more than most could handle in an row boat or khack. Our thoughts and prayers are out to anyone who has been impacted by this most unusual weather -- makes all the snow we receveied in teh northeast seem tame in comparison!

Peter Bigelow
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Response Posted - 05/29/2015 : 19:51:29

Saw something on the news tonight that stated several trillion gallons of rain had fallen over the past week in the state and it was enough to cover the entire state of Texas in 8 inches of water. Not sure how they calculate that but it has been a wet year.

UPDATE: Just saw the news report again. 35 trillion gallons of rain!!! It has rained at least 4" somewhere in the state of Texas for 23 days straight!

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Andiamo
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Edited by - GaryB on 05/29/2015 20:09:09

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Response Posted - 05/29/2015 : 20:16:51

Canyon Lake was at 897' (12' below datum until the downpours started. It is now at 925' and still rising. The road to the marina is under at least 4' of water and the lake is closed to all boats. The marina has a skeleton staff busily engaged in adjusting the floating docks to accommodate the rising waters.
We live half way between San Antonio and the lake and have had 11" rain in the last 2 weeks.

Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/30/2015 : 06:42:55

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...We live half way between San Antonio and the lake and have had 11" rain in the last 2 weeks.

The night of our rehearsal dinner 47 years ago part of the Chicago area got 7" of rain in about 4 hours. I've never seen anything like it before or since, and I've seen some amazing midwestern thunderstorms. It was more like a giant bucket being poured on us. Every street and every basement was flooded. Not fun! Texans must be saying �No mas!

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 05/30/2015 06:48:10

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Response Posted - 05/30/2015 : 08:05:50

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Originally posted by GaryB

Saw something on the news tonight that stated several trillion gallons of rain had fallen over the past week in the state and it was enough to cover the entire state of Texas in 8 inches of water. Not sure how they calculate that but it has been a wet year.

UPDATE: Just saw the news report again. 35 trillion gallons of rain!!! It has rained at least 4" somewhere in the state of Texas for 23 days straight!

This year in pictures:

February 2015 - Approx. 625' MSL - 56' below normal pool.

May 17, 2015 631.99' MSL - 49.01' below normal pool.

May 29, 2015 662.4' MSL - 18.6' below normal pool.

A few minutes ago 664.21' MSL - 16.79' below normal pool.

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Andiamo
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Edited by - GaryB on 05/30/2015 17:17:23

GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/30/2015 : 11:05:30

Why are my icons and pictures not working?

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Andiamo
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/30/2015 : 12:21:07

Don't know--I can see your pictures by pasting your URLs into another browser page. Then they also show up in your post. Weird.

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Response Posted - 05/31/2015 : 06:16:57

I just looked at an aerial photo of the marina across the lake from the one I am in and it looks like the docks have broke loose and rearranged themselves. It appears that the sail boat dock, with the boats, has moved up against the displaced shore line across the bay from where it belongs.
The lake has set a new record for height above pool level. So far the marina I am in has only lost one section of dock and the sailboat docks are still OK.

We are lucky as some folks have lost everything or suffered a lot of damage.

No rain is forecasted for the next several days so maybe we will make some progress in lowering the lake level. The Corps of Engineers started letting some water out yesterday.

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