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Bruce Ebling
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Initially Posted - 03/05/2003 : 19:20:18

You will have to forgive me if this issue has been discussed before. I am considering purchasing a new Honda 8hp. I would like to purchase the high torque model. I know my old Honda was a long shaft and I believe it had a 15" shaft, the new Honda's come with an even longer 20" shaft, I know my old Honda had some problems at times getting the prop deep enough in the water. Is the 20" model the one to buy, or is it so long that it will not clear the water when raised. The motor is going on an 89WK with the stock motor bracket. I would appreciate any advice on the matter.
Bruce Ebling
1989 WK
"Selah"

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/05/2003 : 19:29:50

Bruce, if you had a 15" shaft, it was a standard, a long is 20" and an extra long is 25". Actual measurements on a Honda are longer than that. A Honda long is about 22.5 inches and an xls is about 27.5 inches.

I think most are going with an xls if they plan to be in any degree of seaway...and it comes only as a high thrust version with higher output alternator and voltage regulator.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/05/2003 : 23:31:19

I agree with Arlyn... Regarding tipping it up, everything depends on your bracket--how high it goes and how much clearance it provides in the up position. Take a few measurements of the motor tilted one and two notches at the dealership--how far below the mounting board the skeg is at each position, and how much room you need forward of and above the board. Then check your boat.

I don't have the stock Garhauer bracket, but I think some people with the new model Hondas do--maybe they'll jump in. One thing that has come up is that the Garhauer's springs don't provide a lot of lifting power for a 108 lb. motor (which is what the extra-long Honda 8 weighs).

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 00:16:45

My Oppinion. You want the extra long shaft. Yes the Garhauer braket has enough lift (later model has two spring compared to older one having only one) Yes there is enough tilt to get the engine out of the water. <img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b1cf23b3127cce9bc25c66a3610000004610" border=0>

Doug&Ruth
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 00:18:55

opps that might be Garlic

Doug&Ruth
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 07:55:26

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
opps that might be Garlic
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Nope... That's by Garhauer. They made every original equipment brakcet, to my knowledge. Their newest is a slightly beefed up version of the same, tubular steel design. Garelick's and Fulton's heavy duty brackets are made from cast aluminum U channels.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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RoofRoof
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 14:13:02

See the detailed discussion "Outboard Bracket" that is current NOW.

Garharer has 2 springs now, but will NOT lift my 110lb Honda XL Shaft 8hp 4 stroke.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 15:08:13

If your expecting it to lift the motor all by itself thats not the design intent. The springs are there to assist you not do it for you. On my older braket a spring broke so I just put a 3 to 1 set of small pullies from the outboard mount to my aft rail. Even the wife could lift the motor with ease.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 16:52:49

I just put a Honda 8 hp power thrust Extra long shaft onto a New Garhaur bracket. If you lift weights 3 or 4 times a week and have long arms you can lift it if you work hard at it. Otherwise it is a bear. Come to think of it, I lift weights 3 or 4 times a week, am 6 foot two, 190 lbs, and it is a bear to lift.

You also may want to consider adding a 2 x 12 base plate between the mount and transom as the Honda takes lots of room to tilt.

I'm still looking for a solution.

Frank Gloss
89WK/TR

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Bruce Ebling
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Response Posted - 03/06/2003 : 21:37:06

On an earlier model of C25 I owned, I set the engine bracket away from the stern using two pieces of aluminum channel "U" It worked very well. I even had the aluminum custom bent and the channel tapered from top to bottom the give the Honda the right angle to the transom.
Bruce

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 03/07/2003 : 07:01:46

I have an older Honda 8, and never lift it. osmepneo has a simple block and tackle arrangement that I use sitting comfortably in the cockpit to lift the o/b out of the water. Very simple!

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 03/07/2003 : 11:53:31

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I'm still looking for a solution<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

This could work -- http://www.iboats.com/mall/index.cgi?store_id=100& prod_id=2628& cart_id=606825323& current_category=bracket

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/07/2003 : 20:58:03

I'd rather put that kind of money into a Pacific Seacraft (or maybe just a nice little Sabre). <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/07/2003 : 23:12:37

The site doesn't say which brand of motor comes with the bracket <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224
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N/E Texas and Great Lakes

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 03/10/2003 : 22:09:53

For that price Garelick should send Bluto over to pick up your motor for you

Frank Gloss
89WK/TR

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 03/10/2003 : 22:57:55

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
The site doesn't say which brand of motor comes with the bracket...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Should be BMW.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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