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hewebb
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Initially Posted - 03/31/2017 : 04:06:07

Last Tuesday night a storm rearranged the marina again. Several boats were damaged. Seven sailboats lost their mast. several boat lifts were bent. My boat has some damage to the rub rail, transom ladder and gelcoat. This video shows the results of an 80 MPH wind. It will probably be several weeks before we can get out to sail. I think this is the third time the marina had been unusable in recent years. By boat is in a slip where the two sailboat docks come together. The boat behind me is heavily damaged and his lift torn up.

https://youtu.be/ChOkWLBvQ2k

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Response Posted - 03/31/2017 : 04:45:31

Holy crap! Did you shoot the film? Man are there a lot of Catalinas there.

Captain Rob & Admiral Alyson
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Response Posted - 03/31/2017 : 05:39:46

if those sailors throw away their torn jibs, get them out of the dumpster and sell them on ebay. people will pay for the scrap dacron, or just cut it down for a small sailboat project. I've sold two ripped jibs from other boats on ebay.

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Response Posted - 03/31/2017 : 15:39:51

What do you suppose caused the mast failures?

So sorry about the damage!

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Response Posted - 04/01/2017 : 10:09:35

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Originally posted by dalelargent

What do you suppose caused the mast failures?

Two that I see--one a C-250 toward the near end of the dock missing the top half of the mast--were apparently caused by the masts and rigging getting tangled when the boats were rolling in the wind. The other one, on the outer dock, is still caught in the rigging of the boat next to it. Either waves were coming over the breakwater or the wind alone was enough to cause the boats to roll violently. Nasty stuff!

Dave Bristle
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Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/01/2017 10:11:55

GaryB
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Response Posted - 04/01/2017 : 10:19:01

I'm guessing at least some of the mast failures were caused by boats rocking in the slip and the rigging getting tangled.

My opinion is the marina moving around that much should have never happened. I know of several marinas in central Texas that are exposed to the main body of the lakes with only a low floating breakwater and are anchored in deep water (longer anchor lines allowing more movement) that have never moved despite being hit by storms with similar winds more than once. Some boats have been damaged but the marinas themselves have never shifted around like yours did.

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Response Posted - 04/01/2017 : 21:02:54

I'm on a floating dock in my harbor. The city secures the docks to the riverbed using corkscrew type anchors on each end of the dock that are twisted into the mud bottom about 3 feet down. The docks are secured to the screws by 1" thick "bungee " cords. We have a 7-8 foot tidal range in this part of CT.
During Super Storm Sandy and several unnamed nor'easters, the docks have not budged by one inch. There are approximately 80 docks which are all secured in this manner and they haven't moved in all the years I've been there.
They might be onto something here.

Bruce Ross
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hewebb
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Response Posted - 04/02/2017 : 06:22:42

Our docks are anchored with a very few 3" pipe poles that are not driven into the sea bed. They just drop them and hope for the best. They are the only game in town and the slip fees are the highest in the area. Our lake is the most stable in the area for constant water level, which makes it a desirable lake to be on. I moved from a lake further away but I drug my keel getting out of the marina when the lake was low. Plus, it was much further away. This lake is a Corps of Engineers lake and I am surprised that they allow the inferior method of anchoring used. I suspect that some flying roof panels hitting a mast may have caused some of the mast failures. A friends furler was scraped through the UV cover but no damage on the boats next to him.

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Response Posted - 04/02/2017 : 08:04:25

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Originally posted by hewebb

Our docks are anchored with a very few 3" pipe poles that are not driven into the sea bed. They just drop them and hope for the best. They are the only game in town and the slip fees are the highest in the area. Our lake is the most stable in the area for constant water level, which makes it a desirable lake to be on. I moved from a lake further away but I drug my keel getting out of the marina when the lake was low. Plus, it was much further away. This lake is a Corps of Engineers lake and I am surprised that they allow the inferior method of anchoring used. I suspect that some flying roof panels hitting a mast may have caused some of the mast failures. A friends furler was scraped through the UV cover but no damage on the boats next to him.

I've been going to Canyon Lake since the early 70's. This is Corp of Engineer lake as well and both of big marina's are anchored in deep water and are exposed to large fetches of open water. One is anchored in approx. 50' of water. Parts of the other marina on the main lake are anchored in water close to 100' deep.

As I understand it both of these marina's have huge anchors that weigh tons sitting on the bottom and have never moved more than there lines would allow.

I've been to several of the marinas in the Dallas area and have never understood why they use those poles you mentioned. I did not realize they just sit on the bottom without being anchored!

Sounds like a lawsuit coming.

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Response Posted - 04/02/2017 : 09:17:36

Howard: Is this marina privately or publicly owned? If private, I could imagine their insurance carrier (and those of some boat owners) putting some pressure on them to get their act together. What you describe could potentially be viewed as negligence on the marina's part, allowing claims to be denied. If that happened, the lawsuits would be flying!

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/02/2017 : 09:28:21

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Originally posted by hewebb

...My boat is in a slip where the two sailboat docks come together. The boat behind me is heavily damaged and his lift torn up.

Is yours the second one in at the center of the beginning of the video, next to an O'Day? Looks like an '88 inboard.

Dave Bristle
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Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

islander
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Response Posted - 04/02/2017 : 11:44:54

It does appear that the docks are poorly anchored. My finger slips have telephone sized polls at the ends of the fingers and are attached to the poles by large steel hoops that allow the docks to ride up or down with the tide. The poles are driven many feet into the seabed. Not having another choice of a Marina really sucks. They probably have it in their contract that you can't sue do to acts of God. Surprisingly It's the other way around. If your boat damages their dock they can come after you for the cost of the repairs. Claims for damage goes to your own boat insurance.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 04/02/2017 12:27:35

GaryB
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Response Posted - 04/02/2017 : 15:54:54

Howard,

Any idea who's drone took these pictures and what make and model it was?

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GaryB
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hewebb
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Response Posted - 04/03/2017 : 04:56:48

Dave; Our marina is privately owned. I think the land is leased from the city. The Corps of Engineers makes an inspection of the marina which seems to pass as I haven't been made aware of any write-ups.

My boat is the one past the S2 on a lift. The slip next to me is vacant. It is in the dock on the left with boat on the right side. Bimini is up. It is just about where the docks come together.

Gary; Not sure who took the video. I will ask. Video was taken by a sailing friend with a Phantom 3 advanced

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Edited by - hewebb on 04/03/2017 07:22:51

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Response Posted - 04/03/2017 : 16:03:31

Hmmm... Does look a little tight in there! Do the marina owners have any rationale for their movable docks?

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/06/2017 : 10:17:07

There's a boat several down from you call 'Premonition' His boat looks fine, all buttoned up and undamaged... why didn't he warn you guys?

Scott
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hewebb
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Response Posted - 04/10/2017 : 04:19:24

You guys will not believe this.
Friday went to the marina to check things out after getting an e-mail that the docks were back in place. The docks were back in place and we made plans to sail on Saturday. Saturday morning about 10:00 the 30 MPH wind started the docks moving. By 1:00 I was taking my rudder off to save it from the crash. By 3:00 I had two feet of the stern from another boat in the end of my slip. One finger on my slip was bent away to make room. I added thick heavy foam pads on my boat to protect it as much as possible from the other boat and the finger from the dock that crashed into ours. This marina is so poorly set up it makes me wonder who is responsible-the city or the Corps of Engineers. Someone had to approve the design.

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Response Posted - 04/10/2017 : 04:48:18

Design... DESIGN?...We don't need no stinking DESIGN! Well that gives a new meaning to "Floating Docks"

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 04/10/2017 04:53:14

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Response Posted - 04/11/2017 : 19:22:22

I'd be looking for another place to sail.

Kyle
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Response Posted - 04/12/2017 : 17:14:27

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Originally posted by hewebb

You guys will not believe this.
Friday went to the marina to check things out after getting an e-mail that the docks were back in place. The docks were back in place and we made plans to sail on Saturday. Saturday morning about 10:00 the 30 MPH wind started the docks moving. By 1:00 I was taking my rudder off to save it from the crash. By 3:00 I had two feet of the stern from another boat in the end of my slip. One finger on my slip was bent away to make room. I added thick heavy foam pads on my boat to protect it as much as possible from the other boat and the finger from the dock that crashed into ours. This marina is so poorly set up it makes me wonder who is responsible-the city or the Corps of Engineers. Someone had to approve the design.

What do th eowners of the marina have to say about this? Have you contacted the Corp of Engineers? What do they say?

I'd get my boat out of their ASAP! Class action suit?

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GaryB
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Edited by - GaryB on 04/12/2017 17:16:26

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