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cclark
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Initially Posted - 03/31/2003 : 01:51:48

I wanted to thank all of the contributors of this form and web site. I recently found an '83 C25 needing a new home and found this site when researching the model. I can't believe how much information there is here on one single model! (well maybe 2, with some variations) From reading many of your postings and suggestions, it convinced me I would be happy with this boat. It also gave me some courage to know that there was a forum for information on my boat. I can't get much info from the seller, because the boat is coming out of a bankruptcy. The owner was in the midst of replacing a broken forestay and furler when the boat was "borrowed" by the repo guy, which leads to my questions....

1. How do I know what length I should order the forestay? I believe the boat is a TR (measured the mast from the main halyard pulley to the base of the mast = 30' 6.25"). If I believe the information in the owners manual (old) on the web site, I should get it 31' 10". But I also measured the draft with the keel down at closer to 6' 3" than the 5'0" listed in the manual.

2. The current furler is a Harken. I don't plan to trailer the boat, but the CDI flexible furler has been suggested to me as a better option. Anyone have a preference? Also, if you like the CDI, should I go for the ball bearing upgrade?

3. The previous owner removed the keel cable. All of my sailing is done in the Puget Sound. Do I need to replace the cable, or are there some advantages to leaving it down constantly?

Thanks again for letting me lurk in your midst for awhile. I am sure I will have more questions and hopefully can contribute something soon myself.

From the soon to be "Ora Serrata"
Chris

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 03/31/2003 : 08:58:36

Hi Chris,

Here's the link to the page in the C25 parts manual for the standing rigging on a tall rig.

http://c25c250.best.vwh.net/restricted/pc21.gif

You are right that the TR forestay should be about 31'10" long.

I can't give you a first hand recommendation regarding a furler since Snickerdoodle continues to use hanked on jibs (choose between 5 of 'em now). I do like to be able to adjust the luff tension on both the mainsail and whatever jib I have up, so would probably choose the Harken if it was me......but there are many skippers on this forum who use the CDI furler and like it.

Snickerdoodle is a fixed keel model - so I've never had to deal with the keel cable deal. Others may have better advice. And, I know that some SK skippers have complained that flotsam and jetsam get caught by the keel cable. But, in Puget Sound there are enough rocks and shoals that I'm guessing that you'll want the ability to raise and lower your keel from time to time.

If you decide to re-install the keel cable, make sure that you inspect carefully the winch as well as the turning ball as well.

Good luck to you - you'll find exploring the Sound a great experience.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 03/31/2003 : 09:41:43

If you currently have a Harken furler(I have a Harken unit that I'm happy with) why do you want to replace it? Is it damaged?

As for the forestay, you can buy a replacement from Catalina Direct. They list a TR forestay for $79.95(call for actual price) in their catalog.

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Response Posted - 03/31/2003 : 14:42:13

Chris,

Although it is the opinion of most who use this forum to always leave your keel down when your boat is in the water, I highly recommend you replace the cable to your keel. As most "swingers" will tell you, more than once have we been saved after running aground by simply cranking up the keel and sailing away unscathed. You'll also need the ability to retract it when putting it on the hard for maintenance.

I just replaced mine Saturday (with the help and expertise of "Admiral Gary B.") and discovered in addition to a broken winch, my turning ball (the pivot point for the cable) was not turning. It had been worn thru into the pin. What a relief to know it's all up to standards now. I replaced the winch, cable, turning ball, hose, and all pins for about $180 from Catalina Direct. The hose was looking pretty sorry as well possibly causing leaking or sinking in the future from the hole in the bottom of my boat!

I live in Portland but travel to Seattle about twice a month. If you need any help let me know. You can email me at the address listed by clicking on my name.

Loren

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John V.
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Response Posted - 04/05/2003 : 11:23:31

Hi Chris, Welcome to the forum. Being a trailer sailor the CDI flexible furler is my choice since the foil tolerates the flexing of raising and lowering the mast. It will retain it's shape and return to straight, once raised, after one hot day. Mine goes in and out of the water about twice a year, mainly because there are no marine services where my summer home is, Neebish Island MI.

Your post sounds as though you intend to rename the boat. If the boat has never been named you're OK but if you intend to remove one name and replace it you might want to yeild to superstions regarding boat names. There are ceremonies used for renaming a boat which include thanking the boat, thanking the old name, plenty of distilled spirits, and asking for blessings on the boat as she serves under new ownership and a new name. Many sailors refuse to change a boat name much in the same way that actors refuse to utter the name of Shakespere's "scottish play". Both tend to bring bad luck.

good luck and welcome to this fellowship of sailors dedicated to perhaps the finest small cruising sailboat.

John V. Nin Bimash II (as you can see by the II, I have been through the re-naming process)
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Response Posted - 04/07/2003 : 12:58:47

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Your post sounds as though you intend to rename the boat. If the boat has never been named you're OK but if you intend to remove one name and replace it you might want to yeild to superstions regarding boat names. There are ceremonies used for renaming a boat which include thanking the boat, thanking the old name, plenty of distilled spirits, and asking for blessings on the boat as she serves under new ownership and a new name. Many sailors refuse to change a boat name much in the same way that actors refuse to utter the name of Shakespere's "scottish play". Both tend to bring bad luck.

John V. Nin Bimash II (as you can see by the II, I have been through the re-naming process)
77 C25 sk/sr #153

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