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cch
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Initially Posted - 04/01/2003 : 00:35:55

I am considering converting our Catalina 25 from swing keel to wing keel. Can anyone tell me what the boat will draw with the wing keel Catalina Direct offers?

Thanks

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 08:17:51

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I am considering converting our Catalina 25 from swing keel to wing keel. Can anyone tell me what the boat will draw with the wing keel Catalina Direct offers?
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The wing keel will draw about 3.5 feet. The rudder will actually be deeper than the wing keel, so you will have to be more careful of your depth after the conversion, so as not to smash the rudder into the bottom. As for your trailer, you will need to raise the rollers about 4".

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25 #1205 "Quiet Time"
Sacramento, CA

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 08:29:07

I don't know what the difference between what the wing draws and what the rudder draws. but it is enough for a soft bottom to grab hold of and hold onto the boat. I learned this the hard way - being stuck in the mud (Not me the boat <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>, altho' some would probably say me too) on several occasions when I pulled the boat for the hard at low tide. I wouldn't let that sway my thinking, I would much rather have a wing than a swing.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 08:55:09

We did the conversion this past winter, due to the difference between the bottom of the hull and the top of the wing kit we had to have some extra build up done between the hull and the wing. The draft is suppose to be 2.10, but ours is about 3.0. We love this conversion.
Jason and Fran
1982 Catalina25
swing to wing

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 10:15:26

Chris,

Welcome aboard! Have the spring breaker's invaded Panama City yet?

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 20:25:18

Hi Chris, I have been considering the same conversion, check in the tech tips section, and follow the other thread titled "swing keel conversion" I found that catalina direct will not sell the kit anymore so you have to purchase it through a Catalina dealer.

John V. Nin Bimash II
77 C25 sk/sr #153

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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 04/01/2003 : 21:41:25

There seems to be some discrepancy in the reporting of draft. The swing keel, fully retracted, is reported as a draft of 2 feet 8 in. The wing keel is reported as a draft of 2 feet 10 inches, or only two inches more than the swing. Yet some people are saying the wing keel itself is two feet ten inches, making for a total draft of three feet and a half, roughly. Can a swing to wing retrofitter please clarify this? If in fact the new draft of the retrofit is three and a half feet (give or take) my slip would not allow for it at lo water---at least not without some midnite digging. Help, folks, ron srsk #2343 Orion sw fl

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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 08:21:53

Ron, I have been corrected by the Captain as to the draft of the wing. We draw 3.0 on our 1982 Catalina. (I edited my previous post with explanatiion)
Jason and Fran
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 09:08:00

I have been wondering about the difference in the draft between a swing keel and the wing keel. 3 1/2 feet didn't seem right, so, I went to the brouchures and manuals section and found the referenced page.

http://c25c250.best.vwh.net/restricted/bro79-5.jpg

This says that the swing keel in a raised position draws 2'8" and the wing keel draws 2'10". And, remember that the rudder draws a bit more than the wing keel. that becomes your critical information if you have skinny water.

Hope this added info helps.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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cch
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Response Posted - 04/02/2003 : 23:24:19

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Chris,

Welcome aboard! Have the spring breaker's invaded Panama City yet?

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North Star SR/FK
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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/03/2003 : 10:15:27

Of course these numbers are relative to the boats contents. With a days supply of cold vegetable soup(fermented) my rudder draws 36" and the keel somewhere near the same. It's hard to determine since the boat is hobby horsing constantly in all variety of seas. When we get down to it the best investment after the wing conversion is a great depth sounder.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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Response Posted - 04/03/2003 : 17:39:29

I've often thought about doing this as well, but I'm in an area that is really ill-equipped for sailboats. What would I need to get the job done, as far as the heavy lifting, with my marina's almost non-existent "yard" facilities? I'll be pulling on a trailer. Is jacking the trailer up and dropping the axles, like one of the techtips, the only ? I'd love not to worry about that swinger!

Patrick Burnett, Little Rock, AR
S/V Lucky Star #2707 1982 SK/SR

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/05/2003 : 16:20:12

Patrick,

I've shared your concern about not having the necessary lifting ability to pull off the retrofit and so opted to have the yard do it for me, but Norman from N.J. showed us another way to do the job. BRAVO NORMAN ! I don't know if his switch is recorded in the archives or not but you might contact him through the forum and question him directly. His account of the ordeal was accompanied with several pictures. I found it very interesting and original.

Val on the hard DAGNABIT

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