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Douglas
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Initially Posted - 04/15/2003 :  00:01:37  Show Profile  Visit Douglas's Homepage
If you aren't trailering and leave the mast up all the time you dont need mast gates. I found this out when I bought my Alberg. It has the same type of mast with the slot in it. Boom below the slot and sail slugs above. The big differance is thats all thats above the boom for the first 6 to 8 slugs. From the first (upper reef) point and down the slugs are not attached directly to the sail. The slugs have a nylon cord threaded back and forth in a zig zag patern from slug to sail all the way down to the boom or foot. When you reef you release the cord from a cleat on the base area of the mast. It allows the sail to pull away from the slugs and sag down to form a good reef leaving the sail slugs above the gate. When you raise sail up all the way you leave the cord loose untill sail is up. Then tention the cord to pull sails to the slugs and then cleat off the cord. This simple cord arangment is so simple that Im surprised not many are using it. I would be glad to post pictures if more of you are interested. Just think no slugs getting caught in the gates. No hastles with a pile of sail material and slugs bunching up. Te cruisers up in the Islands here use this system alot.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/15/2003 :  00:31:53  Show Profile
Doug - I'd like to see a pic of that set-up.
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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 04/15/2003 :  01:12:53  Show Profile
I'll second the request for a photo. I have Joe's here waiting to be installed, but if there's something better......

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/15/2003 :  01:31:52  Show Profile
Doug,

From reading your description it appears, to me anyway, that this nylon cord adds a step to the reefing procedure, because you have to uncleat it at the base of the mast before putting in the reef.

For me, the best thing about the gates, is they allow me to bring all of the slugs down to the boom to aid in flaking the sail. From what I gather reading your description, the upper 6 or 7 slugs will still stack on the lower 6 slugs above the slot keeping the upper part of the sail from falling neatly to the boom.

How does this system work with lazy jacks?

I, too, would like a picture because it sounds interesting.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/15/2003 :  12:40:55  Show Profile  Visit Douglas's Homepage
Hi Don:
All of the lower slugs stack up on each other just above the slot. The neat deal is all the sail material does not stack up. It is alowed to fall to one side or the other alowing the reef eye on the leading edge of the sail to come freely down to the hook. Adjusting the reefing line is very easy and the extra step realy doesnt affect the reefing process. Its so much easyer than the old mast slot way because the unused lower section of sail is right out of the way of the mast and boom interface area (goose neck) so there is no bunching. Once your reef hook is set the sail can be re tentioned and stowing or securing the left over unused reefed section can be acomplished underway. Not so with the present Catalina set up. Ill be down to the boat asap to get the photos done.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.
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mroettersr
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Response Posted - 04/16/2003 :  00:05:39  Show Profile
Doug,
Is this system similar to the using a Jack line for the first few slugs? I used the jack line set up last year since I didn'thave time to make mast gates and it worked very well. I didn't have to adjust the tension when reefing or shaking out a reef. The Jack line was very simple to set up.

Mike Roetter
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Marblehead on Lake Erie
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/16/2003 :  13:54:36  Show Profile  Visit Douglas's Homepage
I think it might be the same. Ill be getting some photos up as soon as I can. I just wanted to see how much interest there would be.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/16/2003 :  13:59:04  Show Profile  Visit Douglas's Homepage
Nope I think we were confused on that one. Jack lines are used on deck for your harness lanyard to hook on to.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.
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jandrus
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Response Posted - 04/16/2003 :  14:15:09  Show Profile
Actually, Jackline means both the thing on the deck you clip onto and the line on the sail to which the slugs attach to allow you to drop the sail without removing the slugs. :)

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 04/16/2003 :  18:32:29  Show Profile
Many jackline settups don't need the cleat or adjustment. One small disadvantage is the lower portion of the sail doesn't flake as well.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/16/2003 :  19:41:54  Show Profile  Visit Douglas's Homepage
Basic idea http://www.blumhorst.com/potterpages/Photopoint/mastgates-jacklines/Mainsail%20Jackline.jpg Will work with slugs or cars.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.
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