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Tim from Seattle
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Initially Posted - 04/28/2003 : 13:52:28

Helped a friend with his "new to him" C25 - circa 1983. The previous owner is out of state, and the new owner doesn't have much of a clue....

But, the boat is suprisingly together and complete and operational...

Except the mainsail. I expected a sail in poor condition, but what I found just looked really wrong! It seemed to go up the mast to the black stripe, but the foot of the sail looked to be about 18 inches short! When I first looked at it (with the sail cover on it) I dismissed this as the outhaul just not being snugged up. When we raised the sail, it became apparent that there was no way the clew was going to reach anywhere near the black stripe on the boom.

The sail number on the sail matches the hull number, it has the C25 logo on it, and reef points and reinforcements look to be in the right place to indicate that the sail was made this way, but my question is WHY?

What have we got here?

Tim (helping a friend) from Seattle

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/28/2003 : 14:56:44

Get out your measuring tape and measure the P(luff) and E(foot) of the sail and compare it to the measurements in this illustration. The boom extrusion on a C25 is about 11' long and the foot of the main is around 9.5'.

<img src="http://c25c250.best.vwh.net/restricted/bro79-4.jpg" border=0>

<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b2d904b3127cce9f7cd9ffdf1d0000003010" border=0>
North Star SR/FK

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/28/2003 : 14:59:48

Tim,

According to the Racing Rules of the c25/c250 association, the foot of the main sail is limited:

(2) Foot - The length of the foot shall be taken as the distance
between the forwardmost and aftermost points of the lower edge of the sail. The dimension shall not exceed 9' 7".

I'd suggest running a tape measure along the foot with the outhaul tansioned to see if the foot is in fact short or the black band is inappropriately positioned. I recall hearing that both the c25 and c27 use the boom, so it seems reasonsable that the boom is taped for a c27 and the sail is right for a c25.

Don Peet
c25, 1665, osmepneo, sr/wk
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/29/2003 : 14:05:07

Previous owner may have had the main re cut to raise the boom. They are kind of a head knocker if your tall. This has been done by several people who want more room in the cockpit or to install a bimini and not have the boom ride its top.

Doug&Ruth
Triska (Alberg 29)
Tacoma Wa.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/29/2003 : 14:18:29

18 inches sounds about right...

Here is why:

When Frank Butler designed the boat, he wanted to keep the traveler out of the cockpit to enable mobility. Therefore he extended the boom and put the traveler on the transom. Take a look at the relationship of the roach to the aft stay, that will give you a better idea of if the sail is too small.

the following picture (with the exception of the poor sail trim) should give you an idea too

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b1ce23b3127cce9b04359fafc70000004610" border=0>

Also, in reference to Don's statement, if you don't race the boat in the national regatta or in a C-25 fleet you can get whatever size main you want. Don't get the impression that the Coast guard is going to board you because your sails are the wrong cut.

dw

D. Wolff - "The Flying Wasp" #401 sr/sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
<img src="http://www.flags.com/dreamimages/Flags/measurer.jpg" border=0>

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Tim from Seattle
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Response Posted - 04/29/2003 : 17:09:50

Thanks for the helpful replies! I'm convinced. Coming from a C27, the mainsail on the boom just looked wrong, but you've convinced me that Frank "meant to do it that way".

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