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pwhallon
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Initially Posted - 05/25/2003 : 10:50:21

Hi Gang,

What is the proper pronunciation of this word in boating terms.

Is the main cabin/"living room" called the Saloon or Salon.

Why are some places spelled cays then pronounced keys or others spelled cays and pronounced cays.

"You say potato, I say pototo".<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

?

PW

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/25/2003 : 12:47:46

This is copied, verbatim(including italics), from Chapman Piloting,

"...The interior space is divided into two parts: a main saloon at the level of the cockpit and the forward cabin below the foredeck. ("Saloon" is the correct nautical word, although "salon" may be seen in advertising copy.)..."

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 05/25/2003 : 17:55:04

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The interior space is divided into two parts: a main saloon at the level of the cockpit and the forward cabin below the foredeck. ("Saloon" is the correct nautical word, although "salon" may be seen in advertising copy.
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Sounds like a stinkpot, with the saloon at the cockpit (or aft deck) level. Maybe they have "saloons" and we have "salons". <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 05/26/2003 : 09:11:26

Isn't the V-berth under the foredeck?

The Cat's main cabin is below the cockpit, so maybe it's a Salon.

My friend Jim had a Marinette 32 Saloon Bridge. It had a Livingroom-like area with sliding doors that went out to the cockpit.

From the Saloon you would go down to the dinette/Galley area.

Forward of that was the private V-berth cabin, under the foredeck.

We used to play "Name that Yacht" from the Flybridge Lounge.

Good times on Lake Erie.

PW

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/26/2003 : 09:46:43

Paul,

A "saloon" is a place where men gather to drink beer and bullsh*t.

A "salon" is a place where my wife gets her hair and nails done.

I think I'll call my cabin area a saloon so there is no mistaking what it's used for! <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/26/2003 : 10:20:41

Good thinking Don! I second that idea...(besides, isn't "salon" one of those french words...?)
Derek

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 05/26/2003 : 21:03:16

Sounds good to me.

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3df02b3127cce93a23d3122ee0000001610" border=0>

Let's splice the main brace!

PW

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John G-
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Response Posted - 05/26/2003 : 21:30:09

From the [url="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=saloon"]Merriam Webster dictionary. [/url]
Main Entry: sa•loon
Pronunciation: s&-'lün
Function: noun
Etymology: French salon, from Italian salone, augmentative of sala hall, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German sal hall; akin to Lithuanian sala village
Date: 1728
1 a chiefly British: salon b chiefly British : an often elaborately decorated public hall c (1) : a usually large public cabin on a ship (as for dining) (2) : the living area on a yacht

Actually my "Salon" becomes a "Saloon" after I am back on the mooring and the sails are flaked and covered. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/27/2003 : 17:20:27

I'm glad we're figuring out the tough problems.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

That's my kind of work!

I think I'll call that area the cabin and the cockpit will be the saloon after the anchor drops, unless it's raining, then the cockpit will stay the cockpit and the cabin will become the saloon, at least until I've had one too many, then the cabin will immediately turn into a berth.

Whew, I'm done working. Time to splice the main brace/saloon/sheet/becket... something. Awww, just gimme a beer.

John Mason
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pronounced "Ali Paroosa"
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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triley
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Response Posted - 05/28/2003 : 23:10:02

We have small boats. Saloon is the right term for the main cabin.
Salon if we were aboard the QM2 or the QE2, and getting our hair done.

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LOREN SOUERS
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 17:01:56

This string is great. Is a filet a filet (pron. like skillet) or filet (pron. like fiLAY)? Is a tire a tire or a tyre? How about that little hole off the cockpit. Isn't it a lazarette? Or is it the oublier (something ENTIRELY different)?

I just call the room at the bottom of the stairs the cabin, but I do love to impress our guests with sailing lingo.

Loren Souers, skipper
Nimue, the Lady of the Lake (now in the water)

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 20:49:59

Traditionally, when you prepare a fresh fish for the skillet, you filLET it (as in skillet). If you are cooking filet mignon it's a fiLAY. Double "LL" = hard sound, single 'L' soft sound.
What did Winston say - "the English & the Americans are a common people separated by the same language"!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 05/29/2003 : 21:08:34

My dictionary says the noun for a thin strip of fish and verb for the act of creating it is pronounced "fi-LA". The "fil-&t" pronunciation has to do with archicitectural components and structural joints.

Now, let's talk about "do to" vs. "due to", "your" vs. "you're"...

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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