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zebra50
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Initially Posted - 06/24/2003 : 21:36:21

Short story is- after filling the fresh water takn with 12 gal. of water I found about 5 of it in the bilge. Traced the problem to the shut off valve below the sink-cracked from the valve to the lower water line inlet. Any ideas as to where to purchase another? West Marine here didnt have anything even close. I did email Dave at Catalina but have not heard from him as yet. Any help would be appreciated since we have to keep the water level below the water line at the sink until it is fixed. By the way, the blaster pump worked just great as an emergency bilge pump.

Jay
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Response Posted - 06/24/2003 : 21:53:52

Mine looks like a standard 1/2 inch cpvc shut off valve from any hardware store. Question why does the head sink have a shut off and the galley sink doesn't??

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 06/24/2003 : 22:57:42

Wondered that too.

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Response Posted - 06/26/2003 : 14:39:00

That same question crossed my mind also. Why would there be a need to shut off the head sink and/or not the main galley. Does it have something to do with using both at the same time? I never tried that.

Jay
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Tray
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Response Posted - 06/29/2003 : 08:58:22

Aren't the shut off valves on the drain side? I know mine are/were. I'm not sure how that would have been the cause of your leak.

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Response Posted - 06/29/2003 : 10:57:22

no, the shut off valve is on the water inlet hose as it enters the sink cabinet and runs up to the pump faucet. Probably split due to water in the line over the winter freezing. Found a lot of the water still in the area under the sink heading to the bilge.

Jay
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 06/29/2003 : 12:06:21

Wow... my memory is failing me... I recall now what the deal is. The valve was necessary when the fresh water tank was under the galley as during port heel the water tank would be above the lav spicket.

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Response Posted - 07/01/2003 : 10:19:24

Neat tidbit of info Arlyn. I was also trying to figure out why the head sink had a shut off valve and not the galley sink. It did come in handy when I changed the leaking hand pump in the head sink.

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Response Posted - 07/02/2003 : 11:48:47

Arlyn, thanks for the insight. That actually makes sense, but with the fresh water tank now in the bow area midship, I guess it is not really needed. I will try to find a replacement and failing that I will just splice the two hoses.

Jay
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zebra50
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Response Posted - 07/03/2003 : 13:23:20

FYI bought a replacement at a local plumbing supply $3.50. Never heard from Catalina or the part manf.

Jay
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Rubin Hawkins
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 10:24:32

I just installed a washdown pump. Instead of putting check valves before each outlet, I put in a shutoff valve before the galley sink. I shut off both valves before using the washdown pump. Something to think about.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 11:36:27

Interesting point... my wash down pump would suck the rubber flapper of the sink faucet (katty wampus) but doesn't bother the lav. My pump is installed fairly close to the galley. I first installed a valve as you did... but use the blaster pump so much... that a check valve was added to avoid fooling with the valve.

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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 14:24:22

I could not find any pvc check valves. I would install them if I could find them. The only Y valves I could find were mail order and a lot more expensive than I though reasonable. I don't have a seacock yet but when I do (winter project) I will likely make my own manifold from T's and shutoff valves.

Rubin
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 17:35:26

I suspect that pvc check valves exist...but couldn't find one either so used brass.

The Y valve is available at most marine chandlers, actually its called a 3 way valve. They come with a restraint that allows either Y valve or removed, it allows 3 way operation. The three way was preffered in my settup because; it allows opening the seacock and setting the valve to a number three position which will drain the water tanks. Course this wouldn't be cool to do accidentally but works great for refreshing the tanks and draining for winter. That same position with the seacock closed, allows the marine head to draw fresh water while using the boat as a camper while traveling.

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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 17:58:45

Arlyn,

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> using the boat as a camper while traveling.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

What do you do with the boom and the rudder?

I have thought about using the boat as a camper while traveling on occasions. I would have to do something different with the storage of the rudder and boom.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 07/09/2003 : 18:31:53

When traveling, the rudder goes in the bed of the truck. The boom can be carried in one of two ways... if the main is still on, it goes below with the goose neck up against the bulkhead in the V berth with aft end sittin on a pillow near the corner of the galley. Actually this leaves just enough room for two adults to sleep in the V berth though its slightly cramped. With the wing, your aft berth is much easier to get into so it could be used for sleeping. The other option which I would use for more than just one night on the road would be to remove the main from the boom and put it away. Then strap the boom to the mast. I have a mid mast support that goes into my mast step with two cradle points, one for the mast and one for the boom. The other end straps to the mast.

Remember, my mast sets on a carrier on the pulpit rather than on a riser off the bow roller. which allows it to be launched without raising the mast.

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zebra50
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Response Posted - 11/24/2003 : 16:19:01

For future reference to others that may develope this problem due to cold weather, I never did hear from Catalina. I took the valve to the local plumbing supply store and got a replacement for under $4. The bad on looked like this:

note the crack at the bottom that allowed the fresh water to leak in as I was filling.

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