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77Gypsy
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Initially Posted - 07/25/2003 : 14:32:36

i'm doing some research on the next Gypsy, "Gypsy II". basically what i'm looking at is the largest possible production boat that is common and still propelled with an outboard. i want to stay away from inboards. so i think what i want is a 27-28 footer sailboat, but NOT a C27. any ideas???

Steve
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Response Posted - 07/25/2003 : 15:23:47

The Capri 26 is a very nice boat of modern design that performs well, has a very broad beam and lots of interior volume, and I have seen several with outboards.

But, why don't you want an inboard? They are fun to operate, more reliable than an outboard, can run a long way on a small amount of fuel, don't cavitate, and, with a folding prop, they don't hurt your boat speed very much. Unless you're a die hard racer, an inboard would be much more functional than an outboard in almost every way.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Response Posted - 07/25/2003 : 16:01:03

Thanks Steve, i plan to buy used and am a little worried about the previous owner's maintenence of an inboard. I know many of them are hard to get to and therefore have been neglected by many sailors. replacement costs of an inboard comparred to lifting an outboard, dumping it, and putting a new one on is huge.

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Response Posted - 07/25/2003 : 20:15:22

Steve: From my experience, in seas that can pitch a boat, 25' is about the limit for outboard power--the longer the hull, the more the motor will be raised out of the water when the boat pitches. The C-27 makes up for that by putting the motor in a lazarette (not as far from amidships), as do the Cape Dory 26 and some other boats at the upper limit. The lazarette has some downsides--in most cases the motor can't be tilted up, steering is often limited, and motors can even die of asphyxiation. They also make a 27-footer more like a 25-footer in the cockpit.

In calm water, you could push a C-36 with an outboard, but in the Chesapeake, I wouldn't feel very secure with an outboard hanging off the transom of a 28-footer. ALTHOUGH, the Mac 26X with its 50 hp unit on the transom could fill your bill! <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/25/2003 : 20:49:52

Dave is right... Unless the outboard is in a well, any kind of sea action on a larger boat will either drown it or render it airborne.

One of the reasons you don't see them on bigger boats.

I wouldn't be that afraid of an inboard... it's a superior arrangement anyway. Just gotta apply some care in looking it over.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
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Response Posted - 07/25/2003 : 23:55:04

For Brooke

Actually, I call my boats Gypsy for a couple of reasons.
First, my favorite sailors are Joshua Slocum, Bernard Moitessier, and Chichester. Moitessier named hi 4th boat Joshua, after Joshua Slocum, Moitessier also used to call himself “sea gypsy” so that’s those 2 sailors connection, then Chichester named his boat Gypsy-moth. I tried to combine all the sailors in a significant name.

Secondly, I don’t have much money and tend to buy older boats doing a lot of the work myself. I always spend money on safety stuff but overall the appearance of my boats tend to suffer.

Lastly, I think there is a certain romanticism about being a sea gypsy and just sailing indefinitely with out any ties to anything.

Steve
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Response Posted - 07/27/2003 : 11:32:57

Steve: I like the name "Gypsy". But rather than "Gypsy II", why not go fo the name "Size Creep"--which is what I have picked out for the next "Wood Duck" (2616). It is the bane of all sailors.

I bought the C25 because it was my first sailboat in 30 years, and I did not want the maintenance of an inboard. It is a fin keel and has never been trailered (not have I ever attempted to raise or lower the mast myself--those of you who do have my admitation). My next boat will be an inboard. I am tired of cavitation in any harbor passage where the current stacks up short, steep waves. I have done my research, though it is fallible. Choose a Yanmar over virtually any other Diesel (avoid gas), and avoid Volvos if you can.

I love my C25, but I envy all those sailors who can start the motor at the push of a button. And even on the OMC piston mount, that 130 lb Honda is a real load to raise and lower.

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Response Posted - 07/27/2003 : 12:49:37

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I love my C25, but I envy all those sailors who can start the motor at the push of a button. And even on the OMC piston mount, that 130 lb Honda is a real load to raise and lower.
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130 lbs?? What Honda are you running?? The new 8-9.9 with electric start and XL shaft is 108 lbs. And it starts "at the push of a button"--a wonderful thing! But in some big standing waves in an inlet, it'll still cavitate...

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/27/2003 : 23:50:48

Dave - I am runing a 98 Honda 9.9 - 15, and with alternator and electric start, it weighs in at 125 - 130 lbs. Your 8 - 9.9 is the new generation Honda, and weighs quite a bit less. Yes, it starts at the push of a button, once you have it pivoted and lowered into the water...

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Response Posted - 07/28/2003 : 10:48:01

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...Yes, it starts at the push of a button, once you have it pivoted and lowered into the water...
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I have to admit that when we're out daysailing, I just leave it down so when it's time to motor up into the wind to drop sails (or a J-24 is reeling us in <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>), I just push the button. When we're trying to get somewhere, I hoist and tilt the engine. Just one little problem--our Honda 8 has a high-pitch whine when the prop is spinning in neutral--as if the alternator is turning or something (which doesn't make sense). I've never had an outboard do that--including our previous Honda.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/28/2003 : 15:41:16

Back to Steve's original question:

There is a really fine boat that I recommend. It is a comfortable boat and most of the owners have outboards. There a quite a few available and there are over 6000 around the country and to a much lesser extent the world. They have a tremendous web site, with an awesome discussion group. That's important for a guy who fixes up. The class is Catalina 25.

Oh, you already have one. Why sell your current project and fix up another?

Don Peet
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Response Posted - 07/28/2003 : 16:06:53

Before I bought my C-25, I looked at some O'Day 272's. I believe that they come in an outboard version.

I used to race on a 272, and I really liked it--it's got enough head room for me to stand up below (I'm 6'1"). It's also got a winged keel that draws less than 3 feet.

But I've got 5-foot-itus. My next boat might be an O'Day 302. As soon as the 25 is paid off, that is:)

Bruce Baker
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Response Posted - 07/28/2003 : 16:51:32

My brother had an Islander Bahama 30 (a flush decked, late 60's vintage, full keel heavy displacement boat)that had a 15 HP outboard in a well. Because of the problems stated above he eventually had a Yanmar diesel inboard installed.

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Response Posted - 07/28/2003 : 18:05:08

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Before I bought my C-25, I looked at some O'Day 272's. I believe that they come in an outboard version.
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I like O'Day's designs (and owned a Daysailer for 21 years), but I was surprised by the way the 272 next to our boat in a boatyard had oil-canned at two of the jack stands. I suspect the yard guys were partially responsible, but it made me wonder about O'Days.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 22:54:57

I'm perdectly happy with the spous, car and house. I'm just in search of the best boat for my needs. I basically want a boat that is stable in 20 mph winds, comfortable inside, and small enough to meneuver in and out of tight slips.

Steve
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Response Posted - 08/01/2003 : 11:12:55

"... boat that is stable in 20 mph winds, comfortable inside, and small enough to meneuver in and out of tight slips."

IMHO, you already have the vessel that best fits that description...

That said, if a Norsea 27 or Dana 25 showed up at my door, I wouldn't send it home. ;>)

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Response Posted - 08/01/2003 : 12:47:25

Dave B said:

I like O'Day's designs (and owned a Daysailer for 21 years), but I was surprised by the way the 272 next to our boat in a boatyard had oil-canned at two of the jack stands. I suspect the yard guys were partially responsible, but it made me wonder about O'Days.

So what does "oil can" mean?

Bruce Baker
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Response Posted - 08/01/2003 : 15:21:32

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So what does "oil can" mean?
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That's where part of the convex curve of the hull pops inward to become a concave curve--like a dent. With any luck, it can be made to pop back out--sometimes not. I guess the term refers to the bottom of the old-fashioned round "oiler" that you pop in and out to push oil out of the spout...

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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