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calmii
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Initially Posted - 07/30/2003 : 22:03:25

Hey everyone. I’m a dork. I purchased a Catalina 27’ a month ago that I LOVE. It had a 1992 Honda 9.9 20” motor on it that ran well but idled like…well…pooh.

So I went out and saw a nice shinny new 8 hp Honda with the high thrust in a 25” shaft that I thought would look dandy on my boat. I purchased it..and well…GUESS WHAT???

The Honda dealer just called and said that my 9.9 was an “easy fix” and that everything is running great. DANG now I have 2 motors. Should I keep the new 8 hp or sell it and keep the 9.9?? I am into the 8.hp for $ 1800.00

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 07/30/2003 : 22:12:10

Cal,

I can't help you on the decision-making, but I might be interested in buying the 9.9 if the price is right and the motor can be shipped.

Let me know once you decide what to do.

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 10:25:47

Welcome, Cal...

I'll offer the opinion that on a 27-footer, the length of the shaft is a big issue--it is for our 25s, too (except for people on small lakes). The extra-long Honda is actually about 27.5" compared to 22 for the long shaft. The power difference is meaningless--especially with the new 8 and 9.9 engines, which are the same except for a throttle limiter that keeps you from getting the last 500 RPMs which you don't need.

I sold an older Honda 8 (22" shaft, no electric start) for $1100--I'd think you could pay for the "easy fix" and then sell the 9.9 to cover a good bit of that $1800.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 10:31:13

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I sold an older Honda 8 (22" shaft, no electric start) for $1100--I'd think you could pay for the "easy fix" and then sell the 9.9 to cover a good bit of that $1800.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Hmmm, if that's the case, then I guess I'll stick with my '85 Evinrude 8 LS that starts and runs just fine. <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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calmii
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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 10:59:07

Dave B thanks for the input. That IS good news. I already have the new motor mounted on the boat, and am LOVING it. I think i will do just that...keep the new one and sell the 1992. Where does one go about selling a 1992, long shaft Honda 9.9 hp motor with elec start? I live in tacoma Washington....any ideas?

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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 12:29:49

You could always post it here in the Swap meet section, list it on eBay, or check with friends and family that might be looking for a new motor....

Doug - #1913 Noeta

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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 12:56:28

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Where does one go about selling a 1992, long shaft Honda 9.9 hp motor with elec start? I live in tacoma Washington....any ideas?
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I live a long way from Tacoma, but you might try the classifieds in Trailersailor.com. It has a huge audience.

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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calmii
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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 12:58:29

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
You could always post it here in the Swap meet section, list it on eBay, or check with friends and family that might be looking for a new motor....

Doug - #1913 Noeta
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calmii
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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 13:04:53

DOH! newbie cant fugure out how to "reply"

Hummmmmm sounds like good advice...now where did i put that brother in laws's e mail address? Who knows maybe i could even throw in a fuel tank or two?? :o)

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Bruce Ebling
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Response Posted - 07/31/2003 : 23:38:52

I live in Oregon and am in need of a Honda outboard for my 89 WK, drop me a line and lets talk
Bruce Eblng
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/03/2003 : 09:44:52

According to a Honda rep who I met at the Atlanta Boat show there is more difference than just a rpm limiter between the new 8 and 10 hp Hondas. He says that the cam is different to get more low end torque on the 8, and that makes it more appropriate for a sailboat. I was quite surprised that a rep would recommend an engine which costs about 300 bucks less.

Frank Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/03/2003 : 10:31:16

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...the cam is different to get more low end torque on the 8, and that makes it more appropriate for a sailboat...
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Interesting. Also, the specs say both are RPM-limited. It makes sense that one is tuned for low-end torque, which means less high-end hp, and the other tuned more for high-end hp, which gives it the higher number. I'll be curious to see if the part numbers for the cams are different... <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> --not to say I don't believe him. (The only "reps" I've run into at shows were actually local dealer sales guys whose knowledge of sailboats is that they "have white things, are slow, and think they own the lake.")

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/03/2003 : 10:58:58

good point about the cam part numbers. I actually bought the factory service manual for 75 bucks. Next time I'm on the boat I'll look it up.
the guy I talked to was at a Honda booth, and he had a honda shirt on. but I hear you about salesman's honesty, or knowing what they are talking about
I'll post again after I check out he manual

Frank Gloss
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/03/2003 : 11:02:13

Having only minor differences between different horsepower engines is nothing new to Honda. As I recall, two of the orginal Honda 4 strokes.. I think the 10 and 15 hp, were differentiated by only camshaft and carb jetting. (20+ years ago?) This remains a common practice in the industry... cheaper to produce one engine setup than two.

People figured out that (at the time) you could buy the 10hp and change the cam and jets for less than Honda charged for the privilege of owning a 15.

Without a prop and/or gearing change, the extra RPM delivered by the higher horsepower engine are pretty well wasted on a sailboat, beyond a certain point, all you're doing is thrashing water and burning fuel.

-- question --
"nice shinny new 8 hp Honda with the high thrust in a 25” shaft "

I thought the 8hp wasn't available in the extra-long shaft ????

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 08/03/2003 : 11:46:26

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
-- question --
"nice shinny new 8 hp Honda with the high thrust in a 25” shaft "

I thought the 8hp wasn't available in the extra-long shaft ????
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If not, then I wonder what I've got!! <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> The pre-2001 model wasn't but the new one absolutely is--except that the shaft is actually 27.7".

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/03/2003 : 14:17:58

Yup, you're right. XL shaft 8hp... same lunker as the 9.9

For some reason or other I was stuck thinking about the pre-2001 model...

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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