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Bruce Baker
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Initially Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:07:05

This is maybe a little bit off-topic, but here's the question: If you were to sail around the world and didn't have an unlimited bank account, what kind of boat would you choose? Obviously, the most important criterion is that the boat is tough enough to handle a major storm. My next two criteria would be speed and comfort. Any recommendations?

Bruce Baker
Falls Church, VA
"Yee Ha" 3573
'83SR/SK

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Dave B
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:36:05

To offer a very honest opinion, I, like most C-25 sailors, have such a limited conception of a circumnavigation (meaning none), I could not begin to recommend a boat--except that it have a couple of 50 caliber machine guns in full view for getting through SE Asia. <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:44:12

A tough, speedy, comfortable, circumnavigator that is not a bank breaker?....hmmmm...That's easy...the Valiant 40.

<img src="http://webhost.sailnet.com/vog/images/v40.jpg" border=0>
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<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>Don Lucier<img src="http://www.catalina25-250.org/c25sm.gif" border=0>
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North Star SR/FK

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Dave B
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Mali
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 10:55:32

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...the Valiant 40.
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No gun pedistals in sight!

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 #5032 "Passage" SR/FK/Dinette/Honda in SW CT

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 11:28:28

I intend to take a Shannon 50 ($300k), if the budget will allow it in ten year's time. Otherwise, my intent is to take the Shannon 38 ($100k) that is berthed in my marina. Speed being a trade-off with stability, the Shannons make 7 to 10 while having extremely stable designs, IMHO. Another good choice for substantially less money is the Allied Sea Wind MKII 32' ($45k); the first production fiberglass hull to circumnavigate.

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 12:46:43

<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

<img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3db33b3127cce8856c44e63c80000001610" border=0>

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svmoxie
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 13:15:18

Too funny Richard!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

In my experience bluewater cruising close to 90% of the time you are at anchor. My criteria is to have as uncomplicated a boat as possible, build in a manner that repair is readily available anywhere in the world (that I am likely to cruise anyway), has a high comfort level at sea, and be design for blue water sailing. Most importantly I want a boat that is extremely livable at anchor with lots of room to entertain.

My choice for this is a James Wharram designed catamaran. I have sailed on a Tiki 38 that was build near me in NC. I intend to start a 5 year build on the 46 foot Tiki next spring. Of course you could choose to have it built for you.

<img src="http://www.themultihull.net/images/k5_138.jpg" border=0>

Tell me that boat doesn't look sweet. And you will always be easy to spot at anchor!

If I had to pick a mono, I would go with Dave on the Valiant 40

Clif Thompson
Treasurer C-25/250 National Association.
svMoxie '81 25 sk

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 13:16:27

Richard - ROTFLMFAO!

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 13:23:10

That is a SWEEEET lookin' cat, Clif!

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If I had to pick a mono, I would go with Dave on the Valiant 40
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My only problem with the Valiant is that I need a ketch-rigged boat to make sail handling more manageable for singlehanding. If anyone could put up with me, or me with them, for an extended period of time, I'd probably be considering the Valiant, as well. <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 13:38:13

There is something about those James Wharram cats that just makes you smile. They are so cool.

PW

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 13:55:01

I noticed that nobody mentioned any of the larger Catalinas. I have been wondering if they are seaworthy. I have been dreaming of sailing the carribean when I retire and have been looking at the Catalina 36's. and 38's. Used of course.
Do the catalina's flat bottoms make them unsuitable as blue water cruisers?
The customer service of the Catalina corp makes me a big fan, but that is not much help in a full gale

Frank Gloss
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 14:04:24

Frank,

I think that we were all thinking along the lines of major trans-oceanic passage making, as opposed to blue water cruising. There are some great articles in this month's Mainsheet regarding Catalina's definite blue water capabilities.

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 14:09:26

I've always been taken by the Searunner 40 trimaran.

<img src="http://www.dayshaw.net/seafire/photos/images/mex_20.jpg" border=0>

And if you need to bottom paint, it's beachable.

John Mason
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pronounced "Ali Paroosa"
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 14:31:00

I agree with everyone else's suggestions (except Richard's), and I wouldn't be afraid of a C-36 or C-38 (especially the S&S designed 38), but recently I have been looking at the Tartan 34 (also an S&S design, co-incidentally). It seems to be generally regarded as capable of going anywhere in the world (and they have done so), has a keel centerboard, which allows it shallow draft as well as bluewater capability, good overall performance for a cruising boat, a nice appearance, and it's not so big that it will be difficult to sail shorthanded, or that it will be overly expensive to maintain, or to keep in a marina. (Until just this moment, I didn't realize that I might have a latent S&S bias.)

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 15:02:40

JB, is there a difference between blue water cruising, and trans ocean capability?

Frank Gloss
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 15:31:49

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JB, is there a difference between blue water cruising, and trans ocean capability?
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The way I think of it, which doesn't mean it's correct, is this: 1) coastal cruising consists of being within about six hours of land, say 25 to 30 nm, 2) blue water cruising consists of being within around 72 hours of land, say 500 nm, and 3) what I was calling major trans-oceanic passage making would place you a week or more from the nearest landfall.

The primary difference between blue water cruising and trans-oceanic capabilities, in my mind, being the likelihood of being caught in sustained gale force winds and high seas with no ability to make for a safe harbor.

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 17:16:41

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 18:36:52

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I agree with everyone else's suggestions except Richard's <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That seems to be a repeating theme around here<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>...go figure.

My "Netish" is a bit weak -- what is ROTFLMFAO?

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 18:50:58

Not to be outdone by RichardG (which was a hoot), how about a West Wight Potter 19'? Seriously...

http://www.yousehouse.net/page51.html

Todd Frye

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John G-
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 18:54:31

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
My "Netish" is a bit weak -- what is ROTFLMFAO?
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 Well since we are in polite company let me say “ROTFLMHO” means Rolling On The Floor Laughing My "Head" Off. Here is [url="http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm"] a list of acronyms [/url]used on the web and in chats.

Underlined words are a HOT link.
Click on the “Peregrine” icon.
 

[url="http://www.peregrinefund.org/"]<img src="http://www.peregrinefund.org/images/intro_mid_image.GIF" border=0>[/url]
[url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/photo/peregrine2.jpg"]"Peregrine"[/url] C25-#4762 FK

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John G-
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 19:08:50

Friends of mine have just sailed their [url="http://www.sailnet.com/valiant/hall.htm"] Valiant 40 [/url]from [url="http://www.obmc.com/"]Oyster Bay [/url] to Bermuda and then to the Azores. They are currently in Spain and intend to sail the Med. for a year before coming home.

However before you plan to shell out the $200K plus boat units you might read this from the hot link above.

“Exactly , 200 Valiant 40s were built before the boat went out of production in 1992. Today there is a permanent waiting list for used models. Would-be owners can expect a long wait. A survey done by Worstell showed that half of the 40s built are still sailed by their original owners, many of whom are live-aboards.”

Underlined words are a HOT link.
Click on the “Peregrine” icon.
 

[url="http://www.peregrinefund.org/"]<img src="http://www.peregrinefund.org/images/intro_mid_image.GIF" border=0>[/url]
[url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/photo/peregrine2.jpg"]"Peregrine"[/url] C25-#4762 FK

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John G-
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 19:16:24

For about the same money as a used [url="http://www.sailnet.com/valiant/hall.htm"] Valiant 40 [/url] you could get a new [url="http://www.pacificseacraft.com/cgi-bin/printview.php?3150"]Pacific Seacraft 31.[/url]
Not as big as the Valiant but a great boat from a quality builder. For a single hander like me it would do just fine<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>.

Underlined words are a HOT link.
Click on the “Peregrine” icon.
 

[url="http://www.peregrinefund.org/"]<img src="http://www.peregrinefund.org/images/intro_mid_image.GIF" border=0>[/url]
[url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/photo/peregrine2.jpg"]"Peregrine"[/url] C25-#4762 FK

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 22:15:39

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
 Well since we are in polite company... 
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Huh? I thought this was a sailor's forum. <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 22:25:55

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I've only heard of two really basic types of boats. There are boats that are designed to take anything the seas can throw at them, and those that aren't. The former (bluewater boats) can go anywhere, and the latter (all the rest) shouldn't try, but sometimes do anyway.
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Totally personal opinion here, Steve, but I wouldn't take a lighter displacement fin keel boat like a Catalina 36 or 38 surfing in the Southern Ocean. Whereas, I would certainly take it cruising in the Gulf or the Caribbean. For the Southern Ocean, I personally want one hell of a lot of displacement and stability beneath me.

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/06/2003 : 22:53:48

I wouldn't take any boat into the southern ocean. It's the roughest place in the world to sail, and there's nothing down there. Australia and New Zealand are as far south as I would ever want to go.

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Ellis Bloomfield
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Response Posted - 08/07/2003 : 09:31:13

Wrong Steve,
The south sea has what every sailor is looking for and lots of it. CHALLENGE!

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