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Buzz Maring
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Initially Posted - 08/15/2003 : 20:02:24

Hi everyone,

I just found this Catalina 27 on eBay ... it is in the Pacific Northwest. The auction starts at $100, and there is NO reserve. Here is the link:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2428261678&category=26433"]Catalina 27 on eBay[/url]

I always watch the Catalina auctions on eBay ... it'll be interesting to see what this one sells for!

Buzz Maring
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/15/2003 : 23:12:07

Try "twenty-foot-itis" If I would spend the time I hang out on Yachtworld.com studying I'd be a PHD right now....someday I will manage to get these kids out on their own......

Oscar
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/15/2003 : 23:45:10

IMHO... The home-made transom cutout doesn't look too promising.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 08/16/2003 : 01:44:41

No, I have six foot-itis. I love the layout of the Catalina 310. Mine would have in boom reefing, built in AC, and an uncompromised bimini!

Brooke

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/16/2003 : 07:46:11

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I love the layout of the Catalina 310.
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Second that! Wonderful package for two... <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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BJ Wagner
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 12:54:05

I'm glad that I am not the only one who has six foot-itis.

Brad
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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 14:19:11

Two feet will not be a big enough step for me. I'm thinking more in the 30-something foot range. I had the pleasure of sailing for a few hours earlier this summer on an O'day 37, and it was wonderful! Of course, I'm still new to my boat, and don't expect to sell and move up for several years.

Ben
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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 14:49:28

Hey Ben,

Was that O'Day the center cockpit model?

If so, what did you think of the boat? Was it nice?

How's the wing keel project comming along?

PW

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 15:27:20

About "Twelve-foot itis"... Crealock 37.

Around here you're either in the bay, or you are out in a pretty inhospitable part of the North Pacific.

Two choices... have a full-on bluewater boat or something you can trailer to different venues. Not a whole lot of sense having anything in between.

Til then, the C25 will do. 55 mph to windward is hard to beat, so summer 2004 it's a warmup cruise in the San Juans.. winter 2005, 3 weeks in the Sea of Cortez.

Plans and Dreams...

Winter 2008.. pick up the new boat in Seattle, spend a few months outfitting her there. Then up the coast to summer in Alaska, back down the Pacific coast in September. Overwinter in my home port (Humboldt Bay) then harbor hop down to Mexico, Central America, Galapagos, Tahiti, Bora-bora, Fiji, Australia, New Zealand etc.. dunno if I'd plan to come 'all the way around' or beat back up to Hawaii then maybe back to the West Coast.

Stay out until I stop lovin' it or can't do it anymore.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 15:58:29

ClamBeach,
I've seen quite a few C-27's around and most have the transom cut-out. I think it's the factory set-up for the outboard version. Don't like it myself, but I don't think it's home-made.

Oh, btw, I've got 15-foot-itis. The Searunner 40 trimaran. Showed one to the admiral. She just said, "Maybe you can get one of those someday".

John Mason
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 15:58:52

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Overwinter in my home port (Humboldt Bay)...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Hey, Bruce, I've been meaning to ask if you drive down from McKinley to Arcata, Eureka or some other venue. I sailed a Sunfish on Humboldt when I lived in Arcata in '81 and '82 (HSU oceanography major). I shall NEVER forget the smell of the pulp mills on those cool, foggy mornings. Or the stuff-yourself-until-you-explode all you can eat joint out by Samoa. <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

J.B. Manley, Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
Grand Lake O' The Cherokees, NE Oklahoma

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 17:27:20

I'm glad I'm not the only dreamer here. The way my retirement planning is going I'll be lucky to retire at 65 or 67 in 13 or 15 years. I'd like to have about a mid 30 footer too, and am looking, studying, dreaming. Until then, my 25 is just fine. Yes, for me it doesn't make sense to get anything larger until I live on the coast and can use it. I'll just trailer my WK and same my coins until then.
I just don't hear much about anybody blue water cruising catalinas, which is a shame as I really like the Catalina community, and their customer service.
I have been lurking on the Catalina 36 chat site, trying to learn about bigger boats. Sounds like bigger problems, and bigger expenses.

Frank Gloss
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matsche
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 18:20:57

Frank:

I think you hit the nail on the head. There's a reason you don't see the bigger boats going out as much. Words of wisdom from Good Old Boat: Don't buy the biggest boat you can afford. Buy the smallest that you're comfortable with.

John Matsche 1985 TR/FK #5171

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 08/18/2003 : 23:41:51

"Hey, Bruce, I've been meaning to ask if you drive down..."

Wow.. another HSU alum.. it's a small world !

Yes, I have a ranch that sits up above (you guessed it) Clam Beach. It takes about 17 minutes to get down to the Woodley Island Marina.. but the boat's only 5 minutes from where I work at my 'day job' so I often spend my lunch hour fiddling around on board.

Nowadays, one of the pulp mills has closed and the remaining one has been cleaned up to the point where you can't really smell it much anymore. The Samoa Cookhouse is still 'all you can eat' buffet style... but I need a few more rolaids after a visit now.

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Ben
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Response Posted - 08/19/2003 : 06:59:13

Hey PWhallon,

Yes, that O'day 37 was a center cockpit, and I thought it was really great. It had a separate head and shower in the rear cabin, and the deck layout really made it comfortable to lounge about on. However, that O'day was the only really big boat I've ever been on, so I don't have any real basis for comparison. Incidentally, the owner tried to sell it and his business (sailboat charter) to me. Must not have been a very profitable business.

The Swing to Wing conversion is looking like it's going to happen in September. A technician from Freeman-Eckley in Vermillion, Ohio is going to order the WK, he said he could get it for 10% off as a dealer, which he would pass on to me, then he would just charge me his regular hourly charge. It's happening in September because that is when Freeman-Eckley is getting their next shipment from Catalina. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Ben
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 08/19/2003 : 10:06:46

I do not have two-foot-ities, because I think that 25 feet is just about perfect for our lake. Ya' we have a few bigger boats, but they seem to me (IMHO) to be too big for the lake.

Over the last few years I've developed a theory that states a body of water has a maximum practical size sailing boat for it. For The Great Sacandaga Lake offers about 15 miles of sailable water and IMHO 25 feet is just about perfect for it.

Just my ramblings

Don Peet
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Response Posted - 08/20/2003 : 12:31:17

I've got my eye on a nice Hinckley B40 yawl after I win the Powerball this week ....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/20/2003 : 15:19:41

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I've got my eye on a nice Hinckley B40 yawl after I win the Powerball this week ....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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You can hire me as crew! <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/20/2003 : 15:45:44

The 27 doesn't do it for me. If I am going to pay for the extra dockage, I want a cabin that gives me some extra space.

8 to 10 foot itis for me

Tarten 10, C&C 33, or a Something 35.

DW

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/20/2003 : 16:17:52

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The 27 doesn't do it for me. If I am going to pay for the extra dockage, I want a cabin that gives me some extra space.
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Duane... Have you looked around in a C-310? Very interesting! No pretense to "sleep 7" or whatever--it's a couple's boat, with room for guests or kids--walkaround queensize mattress in the forepeak, wide, spaceous salon, huge cockpit...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/20/2003 : 23:51:55

I looked at a 310 at the Atlanta boat show and it was really nice. Quite a lot of room in her

Frank Gloss
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/21/2003 : 08:01:13

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Duane... Have you looked around in a C-310?
Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT
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No Dave, I haven't. We are looking for a cruiser racer. The Tarten 10 has a number of large fleets in the Cleveland area and they are in our price range.

dw

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pwhallon
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Response Posted - 08/21/2003 : 08:42:28

Hey Duane,

Have you looked at the Ranger 33.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD& units=Feet& checked_boats=1070592& slim=quick&

PW

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 08/21/2003 : 08:54:21

I have been on a couple of Catalina 27's (older ones), and we have a new-style 270 in our club, but for my money, the 25 is more versatile: the pop-top gives the 25 more headroom than the 27 or 270, and it is of course relatively easy to trailer. The 270 is technically "trailerable", but requires a Wide Load permit, and a very expensive, very heavy, custom "gooseneck" style trailer. If I ever move up to a large boat, it will likely be a Catalina 30 or Newport 30; there are lots of each around the San Francisco Bay Area. The Catalina 34, 36, and 38 are certainly nice yachts, but I think would be a bit more than I could easily handle and maintain, not to mention a LOT more expensive. This month's Latitude 38 lists several Catalina 30's and Newport 30's for sale around the Bay Area in the $14000 - $25000 range, compared to the cheapest, oldest Catalina 36's starting at $60,000. I could probably talk The Admiral into an under-$25,000 boat upgrade, but $60,000~$80,000 for a Catalina 36 would never fly. Another consideration is that, for a variety of reasons (medical), it is very unlikely that I would ever be able to take a yacht offshore for a long cruise, even to Mexico, let alone anywhere further away, so that justification for a "big" boat won't apply. I guess the one thing big boats usually have that I wish "Quiet Time" had is refrigerator/freezer food storage. I have heard of this being installed on C-25's, but the icebox is so small it hardly seems worthwhile, and without an inboard diesel, how would I power it away from a marina? I hope to retire in 8 years, and I have plans to put "Quiet Time" in a Bay Area marina for one year to see just how much I would really use a bigger boat before I actually buy one. The Bay is a 2.5 hour drive each way from my house, and I have a feeling that I might soon get sick of the drive and start using the boat less and less. Folsom Lake is only 1 hour away, and I get tired of THAT drive.

Larry Charlot
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 08/21/2003 : 10:11:22

Larry,

When we moved north from Nyack to Schenectady, I decided to leave the boat at Nyack - better sailing there and all that. That lasted about a month and half before I got sick of the drive, so I moved the boat north to the Great Sacandaga Lake, about 30 minutes from home.

I realized that I wasn't going to sail if I left the boat in Nyack (2 hours from Schenectady). so I resonate with your concerns.

I've also found that I'm getting lazy and want my sailing to easier with less work getting ready to sail. I seek to hassle free my life. The long drive would have been an extra hassle that I didn't want.

Don Peet
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The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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