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frog0911
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Initially Posted - 08/23/2003 : 23:47:34

Well it is the 23rd of August and the General, who normally doesn't lose her cool, came within a nats wisker yesterday, I know because her bottom lip started to quiver, when she saw the new boat at a truck repair shop sitting on the carrier with 5 degrees of left azmiuth and close to 10 degrees of left roll.
To make a lomg story short the boat 2004 C250 was suppose to be delivered on Wed. and finally arrive Friday under tow to a truck shop with major 1'x 8" scrapes down to the glass on the aft bottom, WK flying since the support was missing. The right side of the wing was flat like a board and missing a 2"x 2" chunck. Then there was the minor scapes and gouges along both sides and the bottom of the bow. It was really a sad sight.
I really could not believe the trucking company intended to deliver it in that condition, but they were. A few phone calls later and the boat was headed to Largo. There goes our nice labor sailing plans. I will take another 8 weeks to build and deliver another new boat before the general can have her floating RV. Oh well maybe by then the new motor will be in also.

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Frog and the General
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 08/24/2003 : 11:59:58

Hi Jerry,

That's just plain awful ... I know y'all had been looking forward to this delivery for quite a while, and it's a shame they messed up your boat.

What happened? It sounds like the hauler's truck pooped out, but how did that cause your boat to get damaged? Was it just poor loading of the boat prior to shipping? Anyway, I hope the next eight weeks pass quickly for you. Since you live in Florida, I'm assuming you'll be able to sail over the winter ... at least you won't have to wait 'til next spring to splash like our Northern brethren!

BTW, what did you fly in the USAF?

'Hope the wait for your second new boat is bearable ... keep us posted.

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 08/24/2003 : 15:21:33

That is disappointing.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

I guess the bright side like Buzz mentioned being able to sail in the fall and winter months will help forget about the problems.

I remember waiting 14 weeks for our boat that was only suppose to take 6 or 7 weeks. The extra weeks of waiting were quickly forgotten once we got her in the water.<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/24/2003 : 21:25:53

I don't know what happened to the truck exactly, but it either ran off the road and hit a hole or just hit a hole in the road. Whatever it ran over or into was with enough force to lift the boat of the keel support allowing it to slide off the frame so when the boat settled back down there was nothing to hold it up. I tend to lean to the run off the road theory since the boat's aft end went to the right causing it to come of the rear left pad and roll to the left.

You are correct about the warmer weather in Oct. matter of fact that is the month we usually curise up to Cumberland Island Ga. It's a beautiful little island with wild horses running all over it. There are no homes, no motorize vehicles, except the Ranger's golf cart, and the only way to get there is by boat, either yours or the small people ferry. We ride bikes to the beach and around the island. It is a great place that time of the year.

As for what I flew, I an old guy so some maynot be fimilar with some of them. In my 24 years I flew B-47's, B-52's, T-29"s and FB111A's. I refused to fly anything with just one motor.

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Frog and the General
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 08/25/2003 : 22:46:56

I'm speachless...almost...bummer

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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 10:23:34

I'm not one to put a name on it, but I believe that we don't know everything, and that some things happen for reasons we can't fathom (pun intended).

If it was me, I'd say to myself that this was one that had an affinity for barely submerged rocks and that I got perilously close to owning it.......phew, just in time.

Smile, straighten out and move on. There's plenty of time to find that rock <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 11:41:59

Man, what a TOTAL bummer!<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> Sorry to hera about your misfortunes.

Don't mean to be too cynical (sp?), but, do you know the hull number of the damaged boat? Might be useful info to a potential buyer visiting the site here in the future who finds an "incredible deal" on a "new" 250 that some dealer is trying to unload.

Best of luck with the next one!

Bren Peterson
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 12:17:31

Good point Bren... I assume the trucking companies insurance company owns the boat now... but someone will salvage it which could be the factory or a dealer. On the other hand... it could become a deal.

I like Oscars excursion to the mystic side... someone related once about the guy that had wanted a Mercedes for a very long time, finally buying a new one. The first week of ownership, someone hit him and totalled it. When replaced and on the service rack for the first oil change it fell off but wasn't totalled... but was sold.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 12:22:17

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Don't mean to be too cynical (sp?)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That's it....<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 18:49:39

I don't know what they are going to do with the boat, but it's present location is in Largo at the Morgan plant. I almost forgot to get the serial number since I was more interested in taking pictures of the damages. In fact I was in the truck ready to leave when the bulb litup and went back. So here it is, CTYA0734H304. I would hope someone might get a good deal on it.

The man Himself called me yesterday about it and is suppose to call be today after he talks to the foreman in Largo. Still have not heard from him yet.

Regards to all

Frog and the General
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 20:53:07

Can anyone decipher that into a sail #? My guess 734?

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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 21:14:57

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
The man Himself called me yesterday about it and is suppose to call be today after he talks to the foreman in Largo.
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I take it you mean Frank... He never fails to impress me. Hope he keeps it up with your situation. Very few companies respond like this one, from what I've seen. You'll be happy folks soon!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 22:46:30

Oscar,

I'm pretty sure you are correct. On my boat (sail # 642) the "642" is in the exact same place in the serial number as "734" in the boat in question.

Bren Peterson
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/27/2003 : 22:14:57

You are correct. The sail # would be 734.

Now for the latest. Frank called again today and said the boat, according to his foreman, was not damaged that bad and would only take 2-3 hours to repair. After more dicussion he is going to call back Thursday after he looks at the pictures again. I just can't seem to get my point across that a damaged/repaired boat is not a new boat and that is what I'm paying for. Oh well we will see tomorrow.

Soon as I get this picture thing down will share some horror shots.

Regards to all.

Frog and the General
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/27/2003 : 23:27:10

Frog, E-mail me the horror shots and I'll set you up...

The big question is, did you pay them yet?

Also, if in fact damage is superficial only and a repair is something you can live with, they should make it up to you in say, couple of grand worth of goodies......drifter/bimini/dodger the list goes on......

Oscar
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/27/2003 : 23:54:54

Yes, you have to pay to play. $7500 just to start the boat and double that on completion before they will ship it. The remainder is paid when the boat is commissioned. Just tlike buying a swimming pool.

Will EM the photos shortly.

Regards to all.

Frog and the General
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Response Posted - 08/28/2003 : 09:33:24

Just another wild-hare thought... How 'bout they pick up the tab for a professional survey (you pick the surveyor) to assess things like the hull/deck joint, keel mount, and any other damage that goes beyond gelcoat. An independent, unemotional opinion may be what everyone needs. But I still like Oscar's idea...

BTW... Has anyone gotten or demanded a straight story from the trucker? Has the trucking company been held responsible in any way? For whose benefit? In the final analysis, it should be for yours. Either Catalina builds you a new boat and swallows a discount to some buyer of this one, or you get a better deal on this one. Catalina is reponsible for getting it all the way to you in new condition. I can't imagine that they wouldn't penalize that trucking company in some way.

Another BTW... When you buy a new car, chances are very good that it has been dinged or scratched and then repaired--at the factory, port of entry, regional depot, or the dealership. The only advantage is that you didn't see what was damaged before the repairs. But it shouldn't have been dropped of the truck!

Stick to your guns...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

See my response on the later picture thread...

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/28/2003 : 11:13:57

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>

I'm pretty sure you are correct. On my boat (sail # 642) the "642" is in the exact same place in the serial number as "734" in the boat in question.

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734 is correct, check out this link for more infomation on HIN's
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.html

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Response Posted - 08/28/2003 : 11:23:50

Dave,

Good points, all. As you point out, a repaired ding on a new car in cosmetic and what you don't know won't hurt you. A 'cosmetic' repair to a structurally damaged boat hull is an entirely different matter. I'd hate to have a hairline crack which was smoothed with gel coat suddenly manifest itself in the middle of the bay with 20 knot winds! I think an indepent survey after any repair work is absolutely required (paid for by Catalina/freight company, as you pointed out).

Looking at the photos on the other thread, I wonder, how would you go about jacking/lifting the poor boat back onto it's cradle after something like this has happened out on the highway somewhere? I would venture to guess that it wasn't done with an appropriate lifting device with straps. Sometimes in situations such as this more damage is done trying to get it back into place than was done in the initial displacement.

Bren Peterson
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Response Posted - 08/28/2003 : 11:32:31

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
I think an indepent survey after any repair work is absolutely required (paid for by Catalina/freight company, as you pointed out).
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...and just as importantly, BEFORE the repair work hides the evidence.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/28/2003 : 15:30:20

Check out the new thread frogs pictures for the rest of the story.

Frog and the General
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Response Posted - 08/28/2003 : 16:45:28

For a manufacturer, there are plusses and minuses to strong owners' associations... This is Frank's chance to either cement some valuable loyalty or smash it like that boat. I'll bet he does the former, given the correct information. At least I'm hoping...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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