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Rubin Hawkins
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Initially Posted - 08/24/2003 : 22:48:02

Can I get an opinion (educated one preferred) on if these are suitable for coaming winces?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2429040378&category=31281

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Rubin
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 08/25/2003 : 10:27:22

On my center board boat... the Lewmar 16st's provide just adequate height for the winch handle to clear the life lines... so you might compare the height of the Anderson to the Lewmar... I wouldn't go any higher.

They are er... pricey.

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 08/25/2003 : 12:43:25

My Lewmar 16st's that I use for coaming winches did not cost that much new plus I had the dealer install them.

Plus I think they are too big for a c250.

Bryan Beamer
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Rubin Hawkins
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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 13:00:55

Arlyn,

I assume you installed your coaming winches. What reinforcement, if any, did you use under the winch? The rest of what you have on your website is pretty clear on the subject. I checked the height difference and the Anderson two speed winches are about a half inch taller. Will I get any real benefit from having two speed winches on the coaming?

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Rubin
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 14:42:27

Rubin,

I used fender washers only. The fibergass over the coamings if I recall correctly is over one eighth inch and the load is completely horizontal and not that great.

I think Bryan may have been saying that even the single speed 16ST's are large for the C250 for which I agree. I wanted self tailers however and they were the smallest at the time. Sail magazine's new products listed a new self tailing winch offering of some smaller winches within the last year. No prices were listed. You might do a search for self tailing winches and see what comes up.

The half inch higher is maybe crowding the life line unless the wing keel has a different height. I will be glad to measure mine and let you know how much exact clearance I have, but I remember checking it when I was purchasing and knew it was going to be close and it is. It is too close on the center board boat to use angle blocks under the winch hence why sheet blocks had to be used on the stanchion base to get the sheets lined up to the winch.

Bryan has his winches as far forward as possible yet still access the mounting bolts thru the coaming box. I expect he has more clearance. I thought about that, but didn't want to add reach to the winches from the helm location. I set mine up to favor single handing and have them in the middle of the coaming box. If crew are often at the winches, his location would be more favorable to them. Using mine from the crew location is however no problem.

Two speed winches are certainly gross overkill on a c250. Very often I reel the sail in with only one wrap and then cleat needing no winching. If having the wheel and winches were not in the budget... I'd likely put jam cleats over the coamings as in light to moderate air, manual sheeting will get the job done with a 110.

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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 08/26/2003 : 17:57:52

Actually my winches are farther forward than Arlyn’s. Plus we use the coaming winches for our 155% drifter.

Here are a couple of pictures of my set up.

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My winches are backed with fender washers also.

Bryan Beamer
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/27/2003 : 16:38:21

Bryan, where did you find the self tailers? (Also see my Halyard Plate Thread)

Oscar
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Bryan Beamer
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Response Posted - 08/27/2003 : 18:16:39

They are the same Lewmar 16st that is standard issue on the cabin top of the wing keel model. In Feb. 2002 I pulled the boat to do a bottom job. I was going to install the winches then but there was a big blister on the starboard wing of the keel. So I called the dealer here in Colorado they would do the blister repair as a warranty. Since the boat was on the trailer I took the boat to them. I realized that the 3 weeks I was going to have the boat out of the water was going to be spent at the dealers place so I had them do the bottom job and install the winches. Because I wanted time to upgrade the marine holding tank and hoses and stay in my 3-week window.
They purchased the winches from West Marine. I don’t remember the total cost but I think it was $850.00 installed. They did not charge me much for their labor. I think the dealer cost for a set of Lewmar 16st winches from West Marine is around $775.00. Of course that was almost 2 years ago.

There is a picture of them on page 886 in the 2003 West Marine Catalog. Part #174730
The stanchion blocks were also from West Marine.

The upper stanchion block is on page 903 part #339234 with a Harken swivel block page 878 part # 196295.
I used this same set up for my Ullman drifter. Those blocks are mounted to the stern pulpit. (I think you have this drifter set up as well). I bought my drifter used the blocks did not come with it so I had to purchase these on my own.

The lower block can be the same as above but I already had two stanchion blocks on hand so I use them. A picture of this block is on page 903 part #244244

Sorry for the rambling story, but is sounds so much better.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/27/2003 : 21:40:13

Rubin...that's a good price for those winches...West Marine lists them for $884.00 each.....I agree with Arlyn, kinda like putting a gold plated two inch faucet on the galley sink....<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bryan....thanks for the rambling....Interestingly enough my WB came with Lewmar 7's (not self tailing) on the cabin top. Guess they figured that was enough for the 110.....I'm learning more about these boats every day....the blocks on the midship stanchions are indeed the same as came with my Ullman drifter....sounds like the way to go. Thanks.

Oscar
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Rubin Hawkins
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Response Posted - 08/28/2003 : 23:46:09

I just bought the winches. I measured and it looks like these will fit. The specifics on the blocks will help greatly Bryan. Dr. Hawkins will be pleased that she does not have to "mess with the sails" anymore. Of course now the bimini will have to be moved and modified. Like Oscar my deck wiches are Lewmar 7s. Does anyone have deck organizer pictures? Since I am on call this weekend I may as well get the rest of this ready. Thanks for all your help. This is a great forum. I love my boat. Is it OK to say that here?

Rubin
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 08/30/2003 : 00:00:31

Congrats on the winches, they are gorgeous indeed.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Thanks for all your help. This is a great forum. I love my boat. Is it OK to say that here? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

With unmedicated audacity I will answer that and assume/feel that I speak for others too:

You're welcome, indeed, me too and why not?

Oscar
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