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sdaly66
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Initially Posted - 09/05/2003 : 11:50:17

There is a topic in archive with this title, but the archive cuts all of the messages off short. Can anyone give me the skinny on this solution?

I plan to install a Mack Pack at some point, but I'd love to have a quick and dirty solution for the next few weeks. I have a bear of a time bringing down my main - even with a crew to steer for me.

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Response Posted - 09/05/2003 : 12:01:09

Hi again, Shawn. I can't address the lazy jack question, but might be able to help with dousing the main. As I said in the other thread, I singlehand, so I needed a reliable way to reef and douse the main alone and while remaining near the helm. Therefore, I rigged a main dousing line (and a jib dousing line, as well). My main dousing line is 1/4", bowlined to the top sail slug (to avoid binding the head), run down to a turning block at the base of the mast, and back to the cockpit through a deck organizer and a line clutch. This arrangement allows me to throw open the halyard line clutch and haul on the dousing line while still keeping a hand on the tiller; bringing the main down in seconds.

J.B. Manley
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Response Posted - 09/05/2003 : 12:14:27

Wow, JB, we should open our own private forum. I think I could milk you for volumes of information on all of the topics of interest to me.

Thanks again for the feedback. As a new owner, and a tyro sailer on this size boat, I truly appreciate your advice.

So, to confirm that I understand this....

The main dousing line attaches at the same point as the halyard? You haul down on it after releasing the halyard through a block at the base of the mast?

With my fully battened main though, I end up with sail all over the place (not yet in the water, but everywhere else). So I'm guessing that after you fully lower the main, you just organize it and tie it to the boom without regard to where it's coming down during the furling?

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Response Posted - 09/05/2003 : 12:34:08

You're too kind, but lots of my knowledge came from the old-timers <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> on this forum. I think they all must be out sailing today, because they sure are quiet.

No, my dousing line attaches to the sail slug below the head where the halyard attaches, because attaching the dousing line to the head, the halyard or the halyard shackle caused the head to bind, which keeps the main from coming down.

My halyards, dousing lines, single-line reef and topping lift are all led back to the cockpit and into line clutchs by way of turning blocks, cheek blocks, fairleads and deck organizers.

See Peregrine's triple line clutch photos in the Technical Tips section.

To end my sail, I do the following: 1) back the genoa or jib (so it will fall on deck), open the jib halyard clutch and haul the jib dousing line. 2) haul the topping lift line, 3) open the main halyard clutch, haul the main dousing line, and let the main fall where it will (actually, the main does a good job of flaking itself at the luff), 4) roll and secure the main with two stops (ties) near the middle two-thirds of the boom, 5) gather and secure the genoa with a stop to keep it from blowing overboard.

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Response Posted - 09/10/2003 : 15:25:34

So JB,

You attach the dousing line for the Main to the topmost sail slug?

You have the plastic/nylon type I assume.

Is there a special knot that you tie that prevents the line from interfering with the travel of the slug through the mast slot?

This site is a GREAT resource full of VERY helpful folks.

250 WB 1996 Hull #205

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Response Posted - 09/10/2003 : 15:45:31

Yes, attached to the top most sail slug with a bowline, my slugs are plastic. I don't have mast gates at the moment, so I don't have to figure that complication out until I add gates. Maybe the line can be attached to the shackle connecting the slug to the leech without causing the slug to bind?

J.B. Manley
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Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
36°29'58" -94°59'59"

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Response Posted - 09/10/2003 : 15:49:34

Thanks again JB,

I'll be installing the snatch block and a dousing line on Sunday before I go out. This makes me feel MUCH safer about dropping the main alone. Particularly under "stressed" circumstances.

This site is a GREAT resource full of VERY helpful folks.

250 WB 1996 Hull #205

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Response Posted - 09/10/2003 : 15:55:53

Good luck, Shawn. Be sure to let us know how your set up works out.

J.B. Manley
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Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
36°29'58" -94°59'59"

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Response Posted - 09/12/2003 : 09:11:32

JB,

One more question, what size sheet do you use for your mainsail dousing line? I don't guess it has to be anything too heavy.

This site is a GREAT resource full of VERY helpful folks.

250 WB 1996 Hull #205

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Response Posted - 09/12/2003 : 09:41:41

I use 1/4" for non-load bearing lines.

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Response Posted - 09/15/2003 : 09:38:22

JB,

I added the dousing line to the main this weekend - 1/4" sheet with a harken swivel block at the base of the mast.

I attached the line to first slug below the halyard attachment, put up the main, and then attempted to furl it. The dousing line puuled the first sug down the second and then jammed. By working the halyard and dousing line alternatively, I was able to furl the main.

Did you experience this? If so, how did you handle it? Or is my description revealing soem fundamental flaw in how I implemented this?

Thanks in advance.

This site is a GREAT resource full of VERY helpful folks.

250 WB 1996 Hull #205

Thank you all.

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Response Posted - 09/15/2003 : 13:10:59

Hi Shawn,

For the life of me, I can't remember which sail slug. To answer your question directly, no, I eliminated the sail slug binding and the dousing line pulls the main right down.

I originally attached the mainsail dousing line to the main halyard shackle like I did on the foresail dousing line, but that caused the mainsail head to twist and the top sail slug to bind. So, it is either the top sail slug or the next one down, whichever is at the base of the head reinforcement or just below it.

If you don't have an opportunity to play with it before next Monday, I'll check it this coming weekend and report back on Monday.

P.s. Which I'm guessing you won't, unfortunately, after having read your other posts. Best of luck, Shawn, and all the other East coasters, too!

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J.B. Manley
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Antares '85 FK/SR #4849
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Response Posted - 09/15/2003 : 13:39:42

Thanks JB,

I'll be there Wednesday afternoon making use of some of this advice and generally getting buttoned up.

This site is a GREAT resource full of VERY helpful folks.

250 WB 1996 Hull #205

Thank you all.

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