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Sid
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Initially Posted - 09/15/2003 : 15:44:02

We took the boat out for a overnight shakedown cruise on Canyon Lake and a nice conversation with Buzz. She did well, even taking us smoothly through the afternoon squall. I know where to start fixing my leaks now<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>. I do need help with a few things.

1. The head fills halfway with water after pumping dry. My understanding was it should stay dry until I prime it in with the lever in flush position. It does it slowly so I'm assuming it is not sealing properly and I need to replace all the seals. There is no name on it but it does have a "Made in Canada" sticker on it. Anyone know if the filling is normal or what brand I have so I can buy new seals/repair kit (and manual)?

2.The barrel turnbuckles greatly extended the time it took to rig the mast. Where can I get open body turnbuckles at the most reasonable price?

3. My sails are in good shape but can use a good cleaning. Anyone have a good method to get them white again that I can do vs. professional cleaning?

4. I have dual batteries but no battery selector switch. The po installed a homemade switch panel but I'd like to upgrade to a proper batt switch. Is it a difficult/major project? Any tips or pics from completed projects would be appreciated.

5. I have two cleats on the bow and stern for anchoring/mooring.
Anyone have a pic of where to install chocks to keep the lines from chafing?

Thanks in advance for all the help. We had a great weekend and know they will only get better.
Sid

77 C25 SK #21

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/15/2003 : 16:15:07

Hi Sid,

Congratulations!

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4. I have dual batteries but no battery selector switch. The po installed a homemade switch panel but I'd like to upgrade to a proper batt switch. Is it a difficult/major project? Any tips or pics from completed projects would be appreciated.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I installed my Off/1/Both/2 battery switch inside my starboard settee battery locker. Just screwed into the center outboard partition, so I wouldn't have to cut a big hole anywhere. Since I always leave it set to both, I only need access to it when I'm going to do electrical work.

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5. I have two cleats on the bow and stern for anchoring/mooring.
Anyone have a pic of where to install chocks to keep the lines from chafing?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

My toe rail car track was chewing up my stern lines, so I cut and split 12" pieces of garden hose. The hose slides right onto the toe rail and extends about 3" to either side of the cleats.

J.B. Manley
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Response Posted - 09/15/2003 : 16:32:58

As far as cleaning the sails: When we got our boat last year, the Jib and Genoa were both very discolored. Mainly rust stains. We took them to a couple sailmakers, and both said there was nothing that could be done. One guy tried a very small spot with some cleaner he had, and it didn't appear to do much. So.....

We soaked our sails in the bathtub and used a couple rust stain removers we purchased at Home Depot or Walmart. Not sure the brands, but I will assume all are similar. Anyway, we used 2 different ones, and the sails came out almost perfectly. No rust stains, and some other stains are gone too. They still aren't stark white, but I'd hate to try anything else.

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Response Posted - 09/15/2003 : 20:37:39

West Marine, Sailrite, Sailnet etc. offer special 'sail wash'...

Open body turnbuckles are available from Catalina Direct at about the same price as from West Marine et. al.

Did you get the little 'Catalina Bible' yet ? Best $10 you'll spend on a C25

Currently maintaining two holes in the water...'77 Venture 23 and new to the family,
'78 Catalina 25

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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 11:23:14

Sid - I'm sorry that I missed you on Saturday. I had to come home immediately after the races as Judy's Mom had broken her hip...I'll be at the lake this weekend as usual. (Party on Sat night!)
Derek

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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 12:40:02

1. The head fills halfway with water after pumping dry.

I had a similar problem. You don't say whether it fills with new water or sewage. If sewage, it may be you need a pump out. That can happen if the holding tank gets too full. If the seals are gone (probable), the simplest fix is a new head. You can buy a Jabsco with pump and seat (new everything) for $100 - $110 at West Marine--they usually go on sale in the Spring for about ninety. Best bucks I spent on the boat. Getting rid of the old head was a little more complicated, but filled with concrete, it could make a nice mooring block....

5. I have two cleats on the bow and stern for anchoring/mooring.
Anyone have a pic of where to install chocks to keep the lines from chafing?

The problem with the original bow cleats is that they accept up to 5/8th inch line only. I installed bow chocks ahead of those cleats and two large (3/4") mooring cleats on the foredeck just behind the sail loccker. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=6886

These cleats also work well for my primary anchor, which is a Delta on bow rollers, since they are in line with the roller. Also, there is little change of direction from the cleat to the bow chock. Also, where the mooring lines run through the bow chocks, there is chafing gear.

For docking I always use the oem bow and stern cleats, since they are positioned correctly for minimum chafe as they are.

Dave on "Wood Duck" (#2616)

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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 15:16:28

The water is not from the holding tank, valve was closed. If the seals are bad, is it easier/cheaper to replace the entire head or is there a seal rebuild kit?
Sid

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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 21:09:18

If the head is filling with fresh water from the through hull close the through hull after use. Also find out if you havean anti syphon (spelling) valve to stop exterior water from becoming interior water. You should not sail with the through hull open or leave it open without this additional valve and plumbing.

Power selector switch from West Marine should come with instructions on how to hook it up. Open the box and look when you at the store.

Clean the sails by soaking in a 10% bleach solution for a day. Tub or plastic barrel works good. Small amount of Oxalic acid in paste form on bad spots with a good following rinse.

Put a section of split garden hose on you dock lines for chaf. Got more money ? wrap with leather or old fire hose type material.

Doug&Ruth
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Response Posted - 09/16/2003 : 22:37:53

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3. My sails are in good shape but can use a good cleaning. Anyone have a good method to get them white again that I can do vs. professional cleaning?

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Sid,

At least get a price on cleaning from a professional. After cleaning our jib twice (bathtub, backyard, hanging from trees) we finally went to a local loft and could not believe the great job they did for the price. Well worth it.

Chris Hunsicker
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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 08:21:07

There's a company in Ford City, PA called Sail Care that does great work cleaning and re-resining sails. Look them up on the web.

Brooke

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Response Posted - 09/17/2003 : 11:01:01

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...we finally went to a local loft and could not believe the great job they did for the price. Well worth it.
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Second that... Add the inspection and little repairs that prevent further damage, and you have a bargain. In Southern New England, http://www.hathaways.com/service.asp is a good one--they have a supposedly patented sail washing system that washes and rinses the sails while they hang flat.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette-Honda "Passage" in SW CT

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Response Posted - 09/18/2003 : 17:41:44

When wiring the selector switch, do I need a cutoff between the outboard alternator and the batteries as well? I have shore power with a trickle charger installed. I was wondering if the shore power charger would someway damage the outboard if there wasn't a cutoff?
Sid

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