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1grndslr
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Initially Posted - 10/20/2003 :  12:46:31  Show Profile
The responses to my first question were so good I thought I'd ask one more question. Should water be pumping into the head for the first few strokes on the pump if the valve is in the right direction? I don't seem to be getting water into the bowl.

I couldn't locate the lines coming from the through hull for water, either.

ted childs 86 C25 tr/fk
lake lanier, ga
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 :  13:45:54  Show Profile
Welcome to the C25 group. The through hull on my 77 C25 is just aft of the bulkhead between the cabin and the head on the port side. If you haven't found it yet, I'm assuming you haven't opened the seacock. Follow the intake line back from the head and it should get you in the right direction. It usually takes a few strokes to prime if the boat has been out of the water. Good luck.

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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 :  13:46:11  Show Profile
Ted,

I went through these same things when we got our boat. There are different models of heads out there, but most work the same. On our boat, we have a through-hull up under the V-berth. It has a "T", allowing it to serve both as the outgoing drain for the aft sink, and the incoming water for the head flushing.

When we first picked the boat up, this through hull was blocked with slime and "stuff". We cleared it with a plunger, after having the toilet lever in the closed position, we put water in the sink and forced the blockage out the through hull. It made a mess the first time. I guess I could have unscrewed the "T" and cleaned it out, but the plunger was faster.

It usually takes us 2 or 3 strokes to get water into the head. If the stopper in the sink is open, water will have drained down to the waterline, and you have to pump it back up to the head intake level.

-don

Don & Freda Jones
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djones
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 :  13:47:58  Show Profile
make that the FORWARD sink !

-don

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1grndslr
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 :  14:24:13  Show Profile
Thanks, again. I'm going down to look at "Childs Play" this afternoon and will check out your suggestions.

Ted Childs
Lake Lanier, GA
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 :  16:04:26  Show Profile
I have been having troubles too. I just bought a rebuild kit for the pump. $70 something to get the @&%@)*( working. Will try it soon then I'll be flush again <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matt/Brigitte Loeffler
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1grndslr
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 :  19:13:02  Show Profile
I'd like to know how the kit works out.

Ted Childs "Childs Play"
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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 10/20/2003 :  21:25:14  Show Profile
If the system is totally dry, you may have to throw some water into the bowl to prime the system, especially if the leather plunger has dried out.



Mark, Silver Girl, '83 tall rig, fin keel #3744
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1grndslr
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 :  14:25:51  Show Profile
Reply to Old Salt. Thanks for the advice about water to prime the pump. I tried this and still didn't get any water up into the head. About how many times do you have to pump to get the water into the head?

Childs Play - 86 C25 TR/FK
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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 10/21/2003 :  23:17:25  Show Profile
OOPS, what I forgot to say is that after you fill the bowl with some water, you should set the valve on the toilet to the emptying toilet position and try to pump most of the water OUT. If you can't pump out of the bowl you have a pump and/or valve problem. If you can pump water out, set the toilet valve to the fill bowl position and try to pump water into the bowl. If it still doesn't work you probably need to rebuild or replace the head. I've rebuilt my headmate once and I'll never do it again since it was a filthy job and the cost of the kit is a substantial percentage of the cost of entirely new head.

By the way, is there any resistance at all when you pump? Your problem may be as simple as the leather plunger having fallen off the threaded rod by which it is attached to the pump handle.

Good luck.

Mark, Silver Girl, '83 tall rig fin keel #3744
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Response Posted - 10/23/2003 :  09:29:30  Show Profile  Visit aeckhart's Homepage
You may want to try this - remove the pump handle and cover from the head. There are six screws. Inside you will find two round pieces of metal which act as flappers to open and close the in-out valves. Sometimes they become corroded with lack of use and stick closed. I've used vaseline to lube them and it works well for a season. Be carefull when retightening the screws. The plastic is delicate and breaks easily with over-tightening.

Al
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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 :  11:17:32  Show Profile
Thanks, Mark and Al.

Ted "Childs Play" '86 C25 TR/FK #5275
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Randolph G. Wilson
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Response Posted - 11/07/2003 :  14:00:52  Show Profile
I am having trouble with my toilet not priming. It pumps out if I prime it but will not pick up. I questioned the forum on this a few seeks ago, and the consensus seemed to be that it was not much more expensive just to replace the whole head. The one I have is made by Wilcox-Crittenden. You can find them at their website:
www.wilcoxcrittenden.com
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