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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Initially Posted - 10/24/2003 : 15:48:17

Back in June when we had a Commador and the 25 association was not in Flux, I asked the then exisiting establishment to please provide the members of SEBYC (we hosted the Nationals) the paper work to form our own Catalina 25 fleet. If anyone knows or has this paper work for us to get organized this winter could you please let me know. We have a tentative active racing schedule for next year and it would be nice to send a Catalina Club Champion to the Nationals instead of the way the nationals have been held in the past. Just think if every fleet was to send their best sailors to the Nationals, we would have one hell of a race.

Bill Meinert

Bill Meinert
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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 : 16:11:01

Bill,

You might try emailing Clif Thompson, Association Treasurer and last standing officer. Or, Gary Bruner who recently organized a fleet.

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coach
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Response Posted - 10/24/2003 : 23:38:03

Well, if we had a race to determine who would represent SEBYC...we might as well just let you go...I mean, who is going to beat you? um...Nobody there!! lol

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 15:24:51

Not the point Coach. Many classes do similar things to get thir representatives for Nationals. Bill, a good skipper, sets a high standard for your fleet, and as others develop their skills, the skill of the fleet improves, and after a couple of years someone beats out Bill in the club series.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 15:26:03

Bill, I've been wondering what's happened to your request, and hope it gets resolved very quickly, so that y"awl can get organized for next summer.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 15:28:06

Bill your suggestion is a good one, having fleet representation at nationals, but we need more fleets organized with a racing schedule to select their representative.

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 18:10:21

Yes, you guys are correct, Every fleet should have a club champion to send to the nationals! Think outside the box, if each fleet sponsered a race series and worked toward raising funds to help ofset cost, then every year each fleet could have representation. Also the idea of have three or four designated spots for the nationals will allow everyone to plan a head, and additionally if the race was the same weekend every year, then everyone would always know when if not where. I think our newly elected officers should brain storm and reorganize a little more and find insentives to make this happen. I love sailing and racing, but it seems we make having a fleet just so much gossip. And yes finally, they are sending me the paper work to formally form our fleet here in Syracuse IN on Lake Wawasee.

Bill

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John G-
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Response Posted - 10/27/2003 : 22:02:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wmeinert@kconline.com
 

Every fleet should have a club champion to send to the nationals! Think outside the box, if each fleet sponsered a race series and worked toward raising funds to help ofset cost, then every year each fleet could have representation.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
 
It’s a good idea however that would account for four (4) boats. Although we list a number of fleets we really only have four active fleets. I have spent the last two years, along with Ed Jakubas, trying contact the listed fleet captains and I constantly get letters and e-mails insisting I delete their listings. Most of the listed fleets do not exist.
There is a lot of conversation about the nationals but the truth is the C25/C250 has very little local organization.
IMO the nationals will continue to represent less than 1% of the assoc. until there is a strong showing of active local fleets.
I am sure the new Commodore will help in any way to sanction new fleets, and I will see that their activities are well reported in the Mainsheet.
Gary Bruner is to be congratulated for starting our latest fleet and fleet #3, #8 as well as C250 fleet #1 are really doing good work. These are our ONLY active fleets.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 : 07:15:04

True we need strong local fleets to make Bill's suggestion work. At some point, a broadened National with local fleets sending their fleet champion to nationals would encourage the development of local fleets, and would be a positive step for the association.

As there is talk about nationals this year, there is also talk about new fleets. Over the past couple of months I've heard about several fleets in the Chesepeake area, at least one in Florida, Lake Chaney, Syracuse, Indiana and one for San Diego. Much of this talk has been very basic, "What about a fleet here . . .?" But it is a start.

Keep up the chatter, y'awl!

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Terry Annis
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 : 10:32:48

I think this is a wonderful idea, and being part of Gary Bruner's fleet 94, Gary is the guy to beat but there really is several of us working on it, so far is seems we just make him nervous. I would assume that other boats from the fleet would be
invited, but the Champion would be sponsored by the fleet with some allowance paid out and trophy. Here in Portland there is several active Yacht clubs that we could acquire some sort of structured points program during their races that we enter anyway to pick the Champion. With the size of some of the fleets I'm sure we not talking all expenses paid but a little help with gas and lodging would be very nice.

Terry & Kathie "Lematike" #789

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 : 11:42:17

It seems to me that the process for establishing a fleet should be clearly stated in the by-laws. A person should be able to read it and do it.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 : 14:23:47

Frank,

I just looked through the By-laws of the Association and could not find anything mentioning the formation of local fleets. Part of that maybe so that local fleet has responsibility for developing their own way, for their programming is their responsibility.

I agree that organizational guidelines should be developed and posted, perhaps in a "procedure" manual, that will help the local fleet know what is expected. Just my thoughts.

Go Local Fleets

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 10/28/2003 : 20:25:05

It might encourage participation in local fleets, as well as participation in the national regatta, if the National Association would provide a rotating trophy for each fleet. Each year the fleet could organize a fleet championship regatta consisting of five races sailed on a weekend. The winner's name would be engraved on the trophy and s/he could keep it until the next regatta. If we only have four or five active fleets, the one-time cost of the trophies would not be enormous, and it might generate interest and activity in the local fleets. That money should not be thought of as "supporting racing," however. It should be thought of as an investment in building fleet activity.

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 10/29/2003 : 12:22:49

In as much as most C-25 owners are NOT serious racers, I wonder about the realistic aspects of sending local champs to a Nationals that might be 1,500 miles away. Seriously, as much as one might WANT to, it's a huge deal to trailer a C-25 that far. One needs lots of time and money. A couple of hundred bucks for gas would help, yes, but I seriously doubt that I would actually DO it, tempting though it might be. Yes, the J-24 guys, Olson 30 guys, etc. do it, but, let's face it, they are typically MUCH more serious, dedicated racers than those of us on Catalinas. In THEORY, this all sounds great; in PRACTICE, I have serious doubts.

Sincerely,

Gary B.
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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 10/29/2003 : 12:47:06

We havr had alot of good comments on this thread and Bill's other thread, about a national meeting.

Local fleets snding their champion, regardless of how they choose their champion, would and should be something the local fleet decides. If (s)he doesn't want to go because of time contraints, so? If the support of the local fleet is sufficient to encourage him/her to go we might have another boat on the line. That would be a good thing.

If we had four local fleets sending their local fleet champion to Nationals (their decision) then there would 100% more boats that were trailed than did for the 2003 Nationals. If not then Nationals would remain largely a local event with a few boats from places coming because its Nationals. That would be a good thing.

And, that would encourage other local fleets - to form, or reorganize. That would be a good thing.

I oviously believe that the key to the future of the organization is strengthen local fleets, that's where the bottom hits the water for most of us. Local fleets should have an active schedule of activities - races, cruises, daysails, socials, etc. that bring cat25/250 sailors together. That would be a good thing.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/29/2003 : 15:17:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gary B.
 In as much as most C-25 owners are NOT serious racers,
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How about a nationals regatta that has various races, We have a (help me Steve its been a long time) Time on distance regatta called the collossus cup every summer where it is how far you sail in a given period of time. Most races are time on time and we need some of those, plus we could have a time on speed where you must pass a check point at a certain time. We could have a scavenger hunt where you need to locate another boat with items on a list. How about a skills event that requires boats to accomplish sailing tasks i.e. sail backwards past a committee boat, set multiple anchors, hook a mooring... We also have a favorite activity at NSA that involves surgical tubing and lots of water balloons. Nationals should be worth the trip for who ever goes.

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