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lcharlot
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Initially Posted - 11/28/2003 : 09:56:29

Sailnet has Lewmar 14ST winches on sale at a pretty good price, so I have ordered a pair. Unforntunately, they had only ONE in stock, so the other one is back-ordered. Has anyone done this swap, Lewmar #7 to Lewmar 14ST on an '88-'90 C-25 Mk. IV? I was told that the winches bolt down to a metal plate that is embedded in the fiberglass and threaded, rather than using through-bolts with nuts and a replaceable backing plate. My concern is that the self-tailing winches have a base-plate diameter 3/4" more than the non-self-tailers, which implies that the bolt-hole pattern may not be the same. Any advice appreciated.

BTW - the tillerpilot arrived last Monday, so I have that to install, as well. Unfortunately, now that it is November, I will probably have to wait until next April or May to do the installation as it requires epoxy to mount the brass cup, tiller pin, and backing plate, and it will probably be too cold to work with epoxy outdoors until next spring.

Larry Charlot
Catalina 25WK/TR Mk. IV #5857 "Quiet Time"
Folsom Lake, CA

"You might get there faster in a powerboat, but in a sailboat, you're already there"

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 11/28/2003 : 12:47:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lcharlot
 My concern is that the self-tailing winches have a base-plate diameter 3/4" more than the non-self-tailers, which implies that the bolt-hole pattern may not be the same. Any advice appreciated. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Don't we have access panels to primary winch and secondary winch locations of the coaming?

Be aware that the winch is short and you may want to use smaller diameter sheets with them. A friend has them on his Catalina 22 and they look really nice! Are you going to move the 7's to the spinnaker location on the coaming? If you never sit there it would look really nice.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 11/29/2003 : 02:13:32

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Are you going to move the 7's to the spinnaker location on the coaming? If you never sit there it would look really nice.
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I haven't decided what I want to do with the old winches. I might mount them on the boat as backup, but more likely will see if I can get a little cash for them at a sailing swap meet.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/04/2003 : 08:41:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
Don't we have access panels to primary winch and secondary winch locations of the coaming?
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My boat does not have the access panels shown in Frank's photos. His boat is a Mk. III, probably, and the access panels look like they were eliminated in the Mk. IV

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 12/04/2003 : 12:03:02

Hi Larry,

Through the '86 production run, the winches were through bolted with 1/4" bolts, nuts, 'n washers. No embedded plate. That could have changed with later versions though.

Whichever, don't plan on the holes lining up. The 14's base diameter is 3/4" larger than your old 7's. That almost always means the holes for the 14's will be farther apart.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/04/2003 : 13:16:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lcharlot
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My boat does not have the access panels shown in Frank's photos. His boat is a Mk. III, probably, and the access panels look like they were eliminated in the Mk. IV
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Well if there is one thing this forum seems to agree on it is if you need access to a place, cut a hole and use an access plate to cover it.

(re; upper gudgeons)

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/05/2003 : 11:42:10

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
Whichever, don't plan on the holes lining up. The 14's base diameter is 3/4" larger than your old 7's. That almost always means the holes for the 14's will be farther apart.
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839
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I got an e-mail from Catalina Factory Tech Support today. The bolt circle diameter on the old #7 winch is 80mm, and on the #14ST, it's 94mm. Both winches use five bolts, 1/4" size, but the holes definately won't line up

. I guess I will first have to install 8" access plates in the cabin liner under the winch pads, then fill the existing holes with epoxy, then drill and bolt the new winches. (does anyone have a skinny teenager they could lend me to crawl down into the lazarette to do the port side winch?)

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/05/2003 : 12:45:52

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">

(does anyone have a skinny teenager they could lend me to crawl down into the lazarette to do the port side winch?)
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Go ahead and pull the bulkhead between the lazarette and the berth. It takes one minute to do and you will be able to do both side from essentially the same place. Pile up fenders and throwable cushons in the bottom of the lazarette and put the bulkhead on them to level that area with the berth sole.

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 12/05/2003 12:46:58

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