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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/15/2004 : 18:41:16

I'm thinking that I noted once before the limited length issue listings on the Yamaha web site and someone responded that indeed Yamaha XLS are available. I think in fact I had a brochure sent in the mail and it listed a lot more spec data like the weights for each. What I think I remember (many times is not correct) was that the xls 8 hp as that was what I was looking for, could only be had with the tilting mechanics and the thing weighted about 113 lbs. That was back in the fall of 2000. My memory could have corrupted or they could have changed things by now.

I don't recall if the 9.9 had the tilting mechanism and I don't know if it went over and is still at issue.

Someone with a 250 I think runs a Yamaha... maybe they will respond.

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Masthead
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Response Posted - 01/15/2004 : 19:32:37

Hello - I'm a Catalina Dealer in St. Petesburg, FL . The Yamaha is an excellent Motor....But the throttle arm is angled in such a way it is diffcult fit on the catalina 250. It's really really tight fit.

Sailgal - has one on her boat.

Maybe the new models have a straight tiller arm??

Paul silvernail
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 01/15/2004 : 23:44:53

Thanks to all for the info. I guess I will wait awhile before I start looking hard for a new engine. The thing I want to insure is I have it long enough to break it in before the BIG RACE in May. I could not find any reference to an XLS Yahama either, so maybe they stop making them if Arlyn's memory is correct.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 07:43:57

Phil... I thought I had recalled it was one of our lady owners that had the Yamaha... but was unsure which.

Give Suzie an email and check if hers is an XLS. The water ballast will get by with a LS if its 22.5 inches long in all but rougher conditions... The wing sitting 3-4 inches higher won't.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 13:48:05

I pretty much decided that the Yamaha T8 would be the next motor on my boat (however, my Honda classic 8 is running great). Photo:

Here's a link to the specs. Note - high thrust, 25 inch shaft, electric start, 6A alternator, 102 lbs (for the short shaft), 3 year warranty.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/subcatspecs.asp?lid=5& lc=otb& cid=19& scid=4& but=16& year=2004& cat=Four Stroke Series& scat=High Thrust

Check out the options: note: high output alternator, remote controls, available WITHOUT power tilt.

Flaws:

Manual start requires removal of the cowl. (I don't really want electric start).

Be prepared to dig out about $2600 + tax

30 lbs heavier than my current Honda classic.

Benefits:

People swear by their Yamahas, not at them.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 18:26:13

Again... If my memory is working... I think Suzie was going to check on the possibility of remounting the tiller handle some way to allow some turning space.

Some observations from Jim's picture. It appears that the tiller is angled to the motor which makes sense to provide a much more ergonomic grasp of the tiller handle from an operating position in a dinghy or skiff as the tiller would be at right angle to the reach of the operator rather than to the motor.

The c250 of course, needs the tiller to be in the up position for motor rotation... but because of the angled tiller it might foul on the fuel locker. It looks to be bolted on and what I wonder is, could an angled shim be placed in the location it is bolted so that the tiller swings vertical and clears the locker for rotation?

Or... maybe even easier would be to relieve one of the mounting holes so that the tiller mount will swivel to starboard so that when it swings up... it is vertical.

Lets see if I can offer a picture of what I'm saying.

Edited by - Arlyn Stewart on 01/16/2004 19:01:07

Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 21:34:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Bummer, only a 20" not a 25".
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Yamaha's High Thrust 4-stroke 8 comes with a 25" shaft, but no pull starter, a shorter shaft, and half the alternator output of the Honda. Both are major porkers.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 22:48:06

Dave, I agree... reasons why I went with Honda again...

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coldducks
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 23:27:40

we have the tohatsu 9.8 long shaft. that is the motor the "dealer" told us to buy when we bought our brand new C250. and we relied on his expertise... the problem is that you do not get the owners manual from catalina until you own the boat...we clearly have the wrong motor. we bought what the "dealer"
told us to get. but the owners manual states that this boat requires the extra long shaft. so we have the wrong engine. it comes out of the water with the slightest bit of rough seas...in calm waters it works fine. i think that the catalina "dealers" should know that you need the extra long shaft. and you can not rotate this motor at all, it barely fits in the space provided..

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 23:35:55

Part of the problem is likely due to the original manual that called for a long shaft. A long will actually work fairly well on a water ballast if the shaft is similar to the Honda Classic 8 with 22.5 inch shaft.

However, the wing keel sets 3-4 inches higher in the water... and a long shaft is not long enough, even worse if it were an actual 20" shaft.

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coldducks
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Response Posted - 01/16/2004 : 23:44:45

the problem is that the dealer told us to get the wrong engine for the wk......this was a brand new boat for us and we would have bought whatever engine was required. i think that the dealer should have known the differences between the two boats... live and learn...

Edited by - coldducks on 01/17/2004 06:54:42

osmepneo
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Response Posted - 01/17/2004 : 06:17:40

The dealer should have known that the 250 wk sits "3-4inches" higher in the water than 250 wb. And, then realized that he should be selling the right ob for the application, the xls for the wk version. But if he doesn't sail the boat, and relies on brouchure information, he might not, but that doesn't remove the idea that he should have known.

Coldduck, have you discussed this with the dealer? If so, what was his reaction?

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/17/2004 : 07:35:03

Colducks has a legitimate beef... the manual now specifically calls for an XLS engine and the dealer missed that.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Extra long shaft engines are recommended. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

That the earlier manual indicated long or extra long is mute... the current manual calls for an extra long shaft only. I agree that the dealer messed up and wasn't trying to say that in my previous post... I was saying, the source of the confusion may have resulted from the manual change.

There is another issue here. The date on the web site for the manual is not correct and something recently happened with that date. Mark Melchoir or someone posted a later manual and correctly changed the date... but somehow the date has reverted back to the original date of the first online manual... I don't think its correct.

I'm guessing that Colducks manual has the same words as posted above... if so, then the dealer is 100% at fault for recommending a motor clearly not done so by the manual. Its his responsibility to stay current and at the minimum... observe the guide for the manual delivered with the boat.

I'd talk with him about it... at the minimum he needs to know he messed up. If he is the kind of person that does the right thing... then he will make it right. If he is not... then let the forum know that.

In fact... maybe our web site should have a resource page rating dealers? Or, a buyers guide for dealing with the dealer?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 01/17/2004 : 10:37:35

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Arlyn Stewart
 In fact... maybe our web site should have a resource page rating dealers? Or, a buyers guide for dealing with the dealer?
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Ratings? Better check your liability insurance for libel coverage... Buyer's Guide--good idea--for all the issues in ordering, commissioning, and accepting delivery, including being there when the truck arrives (as we learned recently).

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Dkn420
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Response Posted - 01/17/2004 : 13:50:27

Dave: Great idea to have a buyers guide on the forum...also to have Catalina provide their policies for warranty fee's and association fee's and the like. It would take someone to coordinate such an effort given all of the experiences of new buyers and seasoned buyers, but it could save headaches for people who are learning and having to overcome dealers who aren't the most truthful....as for libel...the truth is always an absolute defense...and the truth supported by physical or photographic evidence is a "very" absolute defense...or a case that can be proven very easily in spite of what some dealers may tell the factory, if you are on the other side of the issue...

I would be glad to contribute what I have learned to anyone who wants to start gathering information for a buyers guide to be put somewhere on the forum....

Didn't mean to stray from Jerry's topic, but in my contacts with Jerry I'm sure he understands....

Dan #727

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 01/18/2004 : 21:15:40

Hey fellas,
I just caught up on the posts and I do have a 2002 Yamaha 9.9 high thrust 25"....now I recall the dealer calling the model a XLS, but nowhere is xls mentioned in the manual which covers multiple engines copyright is 1997.. I love the engine with the exception being the tight fit. The tiller handle looks just like Arlyns "birds eye" drawing from above (the tiller angles). I find when backing into my slip that I unlock the engine and rotate the tiller handle back so it is upside down and outside the boat along port side of the cowl head....I then turn the engine by grabbing hold of the top of the cowl head. This procedure provides a few much needed extra degrees of turn for backing. This gives me just enough turn until I gain momentum and can steel through the prop wash. If this didn't work out I had a plan B...I looked into removal of the tiller and that was possible (but glad I didn't have to go down that path)
Hope this helps.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 01/19/2004 : 00:00:02

Suzie, the picture Jim posted shows an appendage sticking up on the tiller handle, is this the shifting lever or something else. If it is how much does that limit function and turning?

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 01/19/2004 : 13:17:01

Frog that is the foward/reverse lever. On the 9.9 it is not as large, and does not interfere with anything. The tiller angle itself along with its location is the main culprit of the Yamahas fit issues.

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