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Champipple
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Initially Posted - 01/27/2004 : 16:07:02

Thanks to everyone who responded online or sent an email to wish me luck racing down at Key West; unfortunately we needed a lot more luck than that. While we got out of the gate okay grabbing a 5 on Monday, it was all downhill from there. The Evelyn Fleet was definitely the fastest in our Division, however we couldn’t figure out how to really make her go and weren’t the poster boat for the Evelyn’s…at least that week.

It’s difficult to sail a flawless race and only come in 8th. Sailing in Saltwater is a completely different experience too , and is something that we really didn’t consider, buoyancy changes things . Our weight placement of spare sails, our gear bags and the cooler could have been better. Crew positioning upwind was bad too. If the entire race was sailed downwind, we would’ve placed. Unfortunately, they sailed 5-7 leg 2 mile windward/leeward races (give or take)./

On the flip side I got to sail on the water with some very tough competition, learned tons both tactically, meteorologically and fundamentally, plus had a blast at the post race parties. Unless you’ve been to this regatta in the past 8-10 years, it’s impossible to understand its magnitude. Over 300 boats, 4 divisions, 2 races a day for 5 days, plus two practice days – a grueling experience. It’s a place where a missed tack costs you 4 boat-lengths, “rail-meat” means hiking hard (very hard – I have bruises from the lower lifeline), not just sitting there for the ride, and 18 knots is the norm. As soon as more pics are posted I will update everybody. However right now go to -

http://www.boatpix.com/gallery/

and search on 33699

I am the guy in the yellow life jacket in the last photo going to weather….

D. Wolff
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Currently Sailing "Champagne and Ripple" 1982 O'day 30

Chief Measurer 2002-2006
Vice-commodore 2007

Edited by - Champipple on 01/27/2004 16:10:19

dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/27/2004 : 21:27:01

Go goin' Duane! It looks like a good time sailing.

Ya like the before and after's?

Edited by - dlucier on 01/27/2004 23:08:00

Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 08:09:05

sure do don, can you do that to one of the downwind pics?

By the Way, second photo going to weather above, I am the first guy on the rail next to the main trimmer.

dw

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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 08:21:48

Duane - what kind of boat were you crewing on? It certainly isn't a Catalina 25

. I don't see a manufacturer logo on the sail, just the 33699 number. Looks like you had plenty of wind, though!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 08:54:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by lcharlot
 Duane - what kind of boat were you crewing on? It certainly isn't a Catalina 25

. I don't see a manufacturer logo on the sail, just the 33699 number. Looks like you had plenty of wind, though!
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Larry -

Its an Evelyn 32. Catalina 25's wouldn't be allowed, PHRF rating is too high. Plus, as we all know, they are slow winnebagos (sorry Milby, but its true). Most of the Evelyn's don't have the logo on the sail. . . Wind was great - between 10 and 30 all week.

dw

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 09:30:26

Larry, If you want to get into it, there's an Evelyn 32 called "Men's Secret Business" for sale here in Portland, OR. Its asking price is 11.5K.

Duane, you won't believe it, probably, but last summer in one beer can race, with Derek Crawford as crew, we actually beat that sucker to the weather mark in Encore! Course he passed us on the spinnaker run......not a typical day, certainly, but I won't forget it for a long time. Out of 15 boats, (all faster than us on PHRF), the only one to beat us to the weather mark was a Melges 24. I think we wound up 5th, but on paper, we should have been 14th or so...

Gary B.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 10:25:26

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">(Posted by Duane)
Catalina 25's wouldn't be allowed, PHRF rating is too high. Plus, as we all know, they are slow winnebagos (sorry Milby, but its true).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">(Posted by Gary)
Duane, you won't believe it, probably, but last summer in one beer can race, with Derek Crawford as crew, we actually beat that sucker [an Evelyn] to the weather mark in Encore [a Catalina 25]!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Keep telling yourself that, Duane. The real reason why they won't let us race with them is because they are deathly afraid they'll get embarrassed by a "Winnebago!"

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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 10:42:20

Steve: Don't go too far! I am NOT seeking a re-match, I can tell you that. And Tsunami might not have kicked butt with the high caliber of boats at Key West, but it's faster towing a bucket than my C-25. I shouldn't have mentioned it.........dang...

Gary B.

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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 11:32:15

All boats are a manifestation of a designer's target market formula. Our boats have low cost and large accomodations in 25ft on a trailer. That formula ends up dealing with high freeboard, medium displacement, small sail area, etc. The tales of bravado and daring do on this site are wonderful examples of the reality of sailboat racing, going on a flyer can pay off! One mistake can make you look like you were in a different start. When our boats beat racers there are circumstances that explain it. Last fall this subject was a wonderful thread that showed how many people truly love their boats and are completely satisfied with their performance. I found that to be a terrific result for a contentious thread to have. Our boats rock, they just don't fly.

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 12:29:20

Frank,

Of course it was a fluke! Just one of those days when the shifts were hit, we were on the right side of the course, had a great start, etc. But, hey, if you got lucky and beat Micheal Jordan in a game of HORSE, you'd probably mention it now and then!

Gary B.

And, yes, I know my boat is no real racer (although I have a few little trophies on my shelf), but I keep it because it is so dang functional, practical, and affordable. Utilitarian is the best word I can think of. If I could find a boat I liked better, for the way I use a boat....I'd buy it, but so far, she's been doing fine.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 12:39:58

Gee Gary - you don't think that our perfect sail trim and tactics had something to do with it...

(tongue firmly in cheek!)
Derek

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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 13:23:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gary B.
 Frank,

Of course it was a fluke! Just one of those days when the shifts were hit, we were on the right side of the course, had a great start, etc. But, hey, if you got lucky and beat Micheal Jordan in a game of HORSE, you'd probably mention it now and then!

Gary B.

And, yes, I know my boat is no real racer (although I have a few little trophies on my shelf), but I keep it because it is so dang functional, practical, and affordable. Utilitarian is the best word I can think of. If I could find a boat I liked better, for the way I use a boat....I'd buy it, but so far, she's been doing fine.
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Like I said our boats rock!

Hey I am kicking Tiger Woods all over my X box and love'n it!

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 13:26:21

I knew that would open up a small can of something or other.
The reason we aren't allowed is the PHRF is too high. They don't want to wait 4 hours to begin the second race of each day and especially don't want to have to do the math on the high PHRF ratings. Key West PHRF also rates many boats a bit higher. We sailed at a 102, on Lake Erie we are a 96.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">4.4 PHRF entries must have a PHRF handicap of 175 or less. Entrants who competed in Key West 2003 and whose boat will be in the identical configuration do not need to submit the full handicap application again or the application fee. They must instead submit the renewal application and all current PHRF handicap certificates. All other PHRF entrants must submit a completed PHRF handicap application, all current PHRF handicap certificates, and US$35 (check payable to Premiere Racing, Inc.) prior to the December 10, 2003 entry deadline. After that date a late fee of US$100 must accompany the PHRF application. Current local certificate(s) are required by all PHRF entries for measurement verification only. Assigned handicaps may differ from local handicaps. A Key West PHRF certificate will be faxed or mailed to entrants after the PHRF Consortium has assigned a handicap. PHRF entrants should not wait for their Key West handicap certificate before submitting their entry.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 14:41:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Of course it was a fluke! Just one of those days when the shifts were hit, we were on the right side of the course, had a great start, etc. But, hey, if you got lucky and beat Micheal Jordan in a game of HORSE, you'd probably mention it now and then!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Gary, the fact that you hit the shifts, were on the right side of the course and had a great start was not a fluke. It was because Derek was doing those things right. A good racing sailor like Derek enjoys good luck much more frequently than others, because he knows how to increase the likelihood that he will have good luck. [It's like golfers, who aim their shot so that the grade of the terrain is likely to funnel the ball in a favorable direction, and pool players who try to leave the cue ball in a place that will make their next shot easier.] Nobody can accurately predict every wind shift, but you can put your boat in a position that will increase the likelihood that you will find good winds and that you will be in phase with the wind shifts. Hunting for stronger winds and favorable wind shifts isn't "taking a flyer." It's how you win races. You have to know (not guess) where you are most likely to find good wind and favorable shifts. Most racers sail in a parade from one mark to the next, but that usually isn't the fastest way around the course.

In certain conditions, racing boats have much less of an advantage over our C-25s than in other conditions. In those conditions, you only have to sail a little better than them in order to beat them to the finish line, and, in those situations the C-25 can easily beat them on handicap.

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Response Posted - 01/29/2004 : 23:01:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 ...Can you do that to one of the downwind pics?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Edited by - dlucier on 01/30/2004 08:30:26

Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/30/2004 : 10:19:31

Don - how do you do that?
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Response Posted - 01/30/2004 : 11:02:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 Don - how do you do that?
Derek
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Pixel by Pixel!

Actually, it's fairly easy if you know how to cut and paste, and color with a crayon. In a nutshell, I borrow colors from the areas around the letters and color in the black. In larger areas like over the water, I simply cut and paste a whole chunk of water over the enter words.

A trained professional could probably spot my rather amateurish rendering, but you get what you pay for, and in this case, it's free!

See if you can detect where I altered the image in these pictures?

Edited by - dlucier on 01/30/2004 14:35:11

Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 01/30/2004 : 15:57:13

Don, that's definitely delightful!
Derek

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 01/30/2004 : 18:55:47

Is that Waldo ?

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/02/2004 : 08:04:30

Hey how did I get up there

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